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Re: Greetings from New Zealand!
Old 11-21-2004, 02:00 PM   #21
 
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The media talks about conservative Senator X; but not liberal Senator Y.
Did you miss the coverage of the last election?

Did you see the media coverage of GW1 GW2? Even the mainstream liberal media (npr, nytimes) spewed the government line with virtually no critical analysis.

I remember watching George Tenet testifying on cspan about the alleged WMD. Then Bush came out and exaggerated everything Tenet said that supported his cause (war), and dismissed everything which didn't support the war. The mainstream media was silent.

'Liberal' has been morphed into a derogatory term even know most people support many of the most liberal programs (social security, medicare, gun control, legal abortion).
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Re: Greetings from New Zealand!
Old 11-21-2004, 02:07 PM   #22
 
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'Liberal' has been morphed into a derogatory term even know most people support many of the most liberal programs (social security, medicare, gun control, legal abortion).
I noticed this also. When I read this post that claimed the media only talked about the conservative Senators, I almost lost my lunch!
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Old 11-21-2004, 02:14 PM   #23
 
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Liberals are the biggest threat to this country and our way of life. Terrorists, inflation, deflation, stagflation,
homosexuals, perverts and nonalcoholic beer don't
even come close. Liberals! May they all meet
an early demise.

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Old 11-21-2004, 02:36 PM   #24
 
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Liberals! May they all meet
an early demise.
John,

While you are waiting to collect your SS. - I'll have to remind you that it was the father of all liberals FDR, that paved the way to your survival and the country as well.

Another Hoover style depression and the 'red' states will all turn blue.
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Old 11-21-2004, 02:56 PM   #25
 
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Cut-Throat, you are always entertaining. We
fishermen have to stick together

I recognize what FDR accomplished and I am grateful
for SS. But, don't forget that is money that I and my
employer paid in over many years. So, it's not a freebee. As far as the "blue states", I expected
them to expand over time, although I was very pleasantly surprised that there was not more of a shift
in the last election. It gave me hope, or as much hope
as an unflinching cynic can have. Anyway, I feel a debt
to all those who never wavered in their faith that
the voters would "do the right thing". They did, and I am quite elated about that. Will they do it again?
I hope so, but will not bet the farm.

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Old 11-21-2004, 03:24 PM   #26
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I recognize what FDR accomplished and I am grateful
for SS. *But, don't forget that is money that I and my
employer paid in over many years. *So, it's not a freebee.
You are right that the cash may not be completely free since some of it came from you but the forced financial planning was free. Judging from the tales you've told I imagine it too would have been gone with the rest of your money over the years on wine, women, and song if not for the forced savings. That would have left you collecting welfare and food bank supplies instead of social security while still thumping on about individual self reliance and the "evils" of society.
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Old 11-21-2004, 03:33 PM   #27
 
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Hyperborea, you are basically correct. If SS had not
been forced upon me, who knows what kind of hole I'd have dug for myself? So, although I don't care much for the concept, I admit it has bailed me out from my own lack of planning. And, I am properly grateful, even while I lament the necessity of the whole thing.

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Old 11-21-2004, 04:21 PM   #28
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Hyperborea,
I think we are each trying to make differnt points.
My points are:
1. What is right/center/left is subjective
2. Generally the US media has left point of view - those with positions the the right of theirs are marginalized by taging them with titles such as extream conservative/right etc.
3. The "bias" is not a reflection on those that are labeld "extreamist" but on the media itself.
4. I do not believe the media is in touch with a large portion of the US public for several reasons - read the book menioned earlier.
5. I belive in the US public - in the final analysis a label of right or left does not fit them. They love freedom and respect people and their opinions.
6. Fox, CNN, MSNBC do not really have large audiences.
A quick google search turned up the attached - good enough for now.
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/politic...ewsratings.htm

NBC: 5.9 / 13 share / 6,349,000 HH / 8,271,000 viewers

ABC: 5.5 / 12 share / 6,014,000 HH / 8,071,000 viewers

CBS: 4.8 / 10 share / 5,207,000 HH / 6,687,000

I'm not trying to convince you of my opinion, just to question the media.


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Old 11-21-2004, 04:50 PM   #29
 
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To balance the view read Noam Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Concent'. Definitely left leaning, and brilliant.

Basically he describes how the corporate media works to support the power structure in the US.
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