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04-22-2009, 01:18 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: May 2008
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What I want to know is this...
Close to 40% of fatal traffic accidents are alcohol related. A lot of violence involves alcohol. Yet, alcohol is legal. (Why is that?)
We all know smoking cigarettes causes numerous diseases. Yet, smoking cigarettes is legal. (Why is that? Seriously.)
Is marijuana supposed to be worse than alcohol or cigarettes?
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04-23-2009, 10:02 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 481
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Originally Posted by dex
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It's interesting that you pull out that quote. The person you are quoting is pointing out that the facts are irrelevant because they are all on the side of reform.
I agree that the lack of specific alternatives and the all-or-nothing dichotomy of some legalizers are legitimate criticisms. I don't understand, however, your recommended approach (which I initially took as a joke, but since you repeat it here I'll address it).
The first four steps sound just like our current policy, and the comment to give soma to everyone ... well ... I don't get it. What are you trying to say here?
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04-24-2009, 11:01 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Dec 2005
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I think NPR got it pretty much right. Kids, people with addictive natures, and people who don't have good judgement would be worse off because they'd get more access to something that can harm them (kinda like credit cards). Nobody would die directly of overdoses, but there would be a few more road accidents and lung cancer deaths. Then again, perhaps if people could partake openly they wouldn't have to sneak off to their cars to get stoned and so there might actually be fewer road accidents.
The tax benefits would be real, but relatively minor in comparison with the savings from not waging the drug war and incarcerating the captives. The biggest benefit would be the lives saved by stopping the violence associated with the black market and drug war.
One benefit that doesn't get discussed much is respect for the rule of law. Given that most of our recent US presidents have smoked it without being prosecuted, the status quo teaches people that it's okay to break the law. Legalization would give teens one less reason to hate "the man". Police officers (many of whom use pot) would have less of an "us against them" mentality.
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04-24-2009, 12:02 PM
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Colorado
Posts: 131
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I laughed at the part of the article that described it as low calorie. Not once the munchies hit....
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04-24-2009, 01:41 PM
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Gone but not forgotten
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,924
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Quote:
Originally Posted by free4now
I think NPR got it pretty much right. Kids, people with addictive natures, and people who don't have good judgement would be worse off because they'd get more access to something that can harm them (kinda like credit cards). Nobody would die directly of overdoses, but there would be a few more road accidents and lung cancer deaths. Then again, perhaps if people could partake openly they wouldn't have to sneak off to their cars to get stoned and so there might actually be fewer road accidents.
The tax benefits would be real, but relatively minor in comparison with the savings from not waging the drug war and incarcerating the captives. The biggest benefit would be the lives saved by stopping the violence associated with the black market and drug war.
One benefit that doesn't get discussed much is respect for the rule of law. Given that most of our recent US presidents have smoked it without being prosecuted, the status quo teaches people that it's okay to break the law. Legalization would give teens one less reason to hate "the man". Police officers (many of whom use pot) would have less of an "us against them" mentality.
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It does seem ridiculous (ironic?) that the majority of Baby Boomers who want to be seen as 'tough on drugs' smoked pot at one time.
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04-24-2009, 07:57 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Originally Posted by Khan
It does seem ridiculous (ironic?) that the majority of Baby Boomers who want to be seen as 'tough on drugs' smoked pot at one time.
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I doubt that more than half of 75.8 million baby boomers smoked pot once.
An American Pastime: Smoking Pot - TIME
Researchers found that 42% of people surveyed in the U.S. had tried marijuana at least once, and 16% had tried cocaine. About 20% of residents surveyed in the Netherlands,
Adolescents' drug use down, baby boomers' is up - The Boston Globe
Drug use increased among the 50-59 age group as more baby boomers joined that category. Their past month drug use rose from 4.3 percent in 2006 to 5 percent in 2007.
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