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Old 12-20-2007, 03:50 PM   #21
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Just read in Popular Mechanics that VW is going to sell diesels again in the U.S. Supposedly 75mpg!

I once had a Le Car for a loaner when my car was being serviced. The shift lever came off in my hand going into second while exiting the dealers' parking lot!
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:20 PM   #22
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PS many of us, if we could tell the honest truth, would probably rather have that 12-cylinder BMW instead of the hybrid diesel tin can, even if we could only drive proportionately less mileage per year
Thing is, you don't have to drive a tin can. You can get a huge luxury 7 series BMW with a quiet, efficient diesel with respectable performance and still beat 35 MPG.

Model: 730d SE Stratus Exclusive Edition
Price: £56,820
Fuel: Diesel
CO2 tax: 32%
Engine size: 2993cc
EU4: Yes
Fuel consumption: 35.8 mpg
0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:24 PM   #23
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Aw, come on. The convertible was HOT!

I think it was the Le Car that did them in. But how could they go wrong with marketing like this?
Some say the Renault's trailering capacity is marginal . . . (Apologies to those who saw this already on Funny Tuesday Videos)
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:32 PM   #24
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Just read in Popular Mechanics that VW is going to sell diesels again in the U.S. Supposedly 75mpg!
Here are the stats on a VW Polo 80ps TDI (diesel)

Pferdestärken* 80
Engine cubic capacity 1400
Fuel Consumption
Urban 51.4mpg - 5.5l/100km
Extra-urban 72.4mpg - 3.9l/100km
Combined 62.8mpg - 4.5l/100km
Engine emissions 119g/km
Engine noise levels 71.0dB
Engine maximum Speed** 108mph - 174km/h
Engine acceleration 0-62mph 12.8secs
Maximum output PS 80 at RPM 4000
Maximum torque 144 lbs.ft / 195 Nm at RPM 1800
Insurance group rating 5
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Here are the stats on a VW Polo 80ps TDI (diesel)

Pferdestärken* 80
Engine cubic capacity 1400
Fuel Consumption
Urban 51.4mpg - 5.5l/100km
Extra-urban 72.4mpg - 3.9l/100km
Combined 62.8mpg - 4.5l/100km
Engine emissions 119g/km
Engine noise levels 71.0dB
Engine maximum Speed** 108mph - 174km/h
Engine acceleration 0-62mph 12.8secs
Maximum output PS 80 at RPM 4000
Maximum torque 144 lbs.ft / 195 Nm at RPM 1800
Insurance group rating 5
Remember if you're dealing with Imperial gallons which they use some places in Europe, they are 1.2 times bigger than the US gallons. So in order to find out what the comparable gas mileage is in the US, you have to divide by 1.2. So the 72.4mpg above would be 60.33 here in the US....still pretty good but not 72.4.
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Remember if you're dealing with Imperial gallons which they use some places in Europe, they are 1.2 times bigger than the US gallons. So in order to find out what the comparable gas mileage is in the US, you have to divide by 1.2. So the 72.4mpg above would be 60.33 here in the US....still pretty good but not 72.4.
You're absolutely right as that's off the VW UK website and they use Imperial Gallons. Good catch! And my BMW example above would actually be 29.8 MPG. Still both excellent mileages for those cars.
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Small car when it hit the wall at 70mph worrid about safty

Video: Smartcar Slams Into Concrete Barrier at 70MPH
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Here are the stats on a VW Polo 80ps TDI (diesel)

Pferdestärken* 80
Engine cubic capacity 1400
Fuel Consumption
Urban 51.4mpg - 5.5l/100km
Extra-urban 72.4mpg - 3.9l/100km
Combined 62.8mpg - 4.5l/100km
Engine emissions 119g/km
Engine noise levels 71.0dB
Engine maximum Speed** 108mph - 174km/h
Engine acceleration 0-62mph 12.8secs
Maximum output PS 80 at RPM 4000
Maximum torque 144 lbs.ft / 195 Nm at RPM 1800
Insurance group rating 5

That's about an 80 horsepower engine. Many American drivers would find it underpowered. I presume these fuel ratings are with manual trans?
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That's about an 80 horsepower engine. Many American drivers would find it underpowered. I presume these fuel ratings are with manual trans?
That's funny. I was giving a Finnish friend a ride the other day and she said, "you're not American" and pointed to my manual transmission gear lever.
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That's about an 80 horsepower engine. Many American drivers would find it underpowered.
I think the engine would find many American drivers overweight.
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That's about an 80 horsepower engine. Many American drivers would find it underpowered. I presume these fuel ratings are with manual trans?
I think 80hp today is a lot more responsive than 80hp 15 years ago...........
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I was a lot more responsive 15 years ago.

So what sort of donkey is this 80hp engine attached to?
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So what sort of donkey is this 80hp engine attached to?

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My step daughter has a VW diesel and really loves it. But I kid her that I could practically breath the exhaust from my hybrid.......
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I'd buy one of those, wish I had heard about them 2 months ago
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We were lived in Germany in the 80's. We looked at buying a German standard auto and importing it to the US because of Fuel economy and price. Turns out, according to the mechanics over there, you could not convert the cars. Not just EPA items would have to be added, but internal engine parts. Then there were the safety items, like air bags, door beams, roof standards. They said by the time you converted it, it would cost more, and be just as in-efficient as a US standard vehicle.
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I think 80hp today is a lot more responsive than 80hp 15 years ago...........
Like modern athletes, horses nowadays are probably alot better conditioned.

I agree, tho....fuel injection, etc does make todays engines more responsive. Original VW beetle was about 35-40hp....my first new car in 1974 was 75hp, but no air, power accessories, etc.
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Forgot to post on this one....

I had a Mazda GLC with a 1.4 engine... maybe 75 to 80 hp.... but seemed peppy enough if you kept the RPM very high....

You could run around all day 'racing' to 6K rpm and get a low of 32 mpg... regularly got 35 to 38 mpgs on the car...

If you want to get better mpgs... you have to have less HPs..
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If I could afford it and forget the cost of gas... BMW335xi. 300 horsies(active safety feature), all wheel drive(practicle),29mpg hiway. But I'll probably keep driving my old guzzler because its cheaper to buy gas than a new car, and I can invest the would have been car payment-incremental cost of gas. That still leaves me way ahead at the end of the year. I just hate feeling that hugo chavez is benefitting from my savings plan.
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We converted our diesel VW into a greasecar and people frequently ask to smell our exhaust
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