90 million Obama Clinton last month who is giving?

newguy88 · 03-07-2008, 05:24 AM

Seriously folks who is sending these two money?? the middle class?? Heck 3+ a gallon gasoline, food prices upup and away, housing in the toilet. Who is sending these two clowns cash

?

Notmuchlonger · 03-07-2008, 07:48 AM

Obviously someone who isn't quite as pissed off as you always are

freebird5825 · 03-07-2008, 07:49 AM

not me.

**Want2retire** · 03-07-2008, 08:38 AM

I don't know anybody who has sent money to Clinton, Obama, or McCain, for that matter.

I would guess that most presidential hopefuls get money from lobbyists, special interest groups, people hoping for political favors/positions, their political party, and so on.

As for grass roots support, who has any extra money to send off, with gas prices spiralling upwards, food prices not far behind, and rampant foreclosures? And in our cases, an economy/market that is not doing so well and chipping away at our ER money.

Notmuchlonger · 03-07-2008, 08:39 AM

Warren Buffet has extra money. He likes both democrats. I wouldn't call WB a clown either .

tryan · 03-07-2008, 09:33 AM

... and I thought there were limits put on how much a single person can give ....

**ziggy29** · 03-07-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tryan

... and I thought there were limits put on how much a single person can give ....

To a specific candidate, yes. The 527s are a massive loophole around that.

EarlyRetiree1978 · 03-07-2008, 09:45 AM

According to Baraks Website:
"...more than 90% of donations were $100 or less." So not many big donors gave into that 55 Million last month.

Notmuchlonger · 03-07-2008, 10:47 AM

Wow thats alot of clowns.

samclem · 03-07-2008, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EarlyRetiree1978

According to Baraks Website:
"...more than 90% of donations were $100 or less." So not many big donors gave into that 55 Million last month.

I don't know if this factoid tells us anything. It doesn't say that 90% of the money came from donations of $100 or less. It's probably true in almost every campaign that the vast majority of "contribution events" are small $$. So, there could still be a few huge donors who are contributing the majority of funds. As we've seen, there are many ways to work around the individual donor limits.

chinaco · 03-07-2008, 12:58 PM

Not me. I rarely donate.

The internet has changed the way funding works. The masses can make a difference with a few bucks.

Robert the Red · 03-07-2008, 01:24 PM

I gave $333. Try to find me here.

clifp · 03-07-2008, 02:52 PM

Obama has done a remarkable job in getting serial smallish $50 donations from millions(?). The couple that give Barack $80 instead of going out to dinner, I think is probably pretty typical.

My sister who voted for Bush in 2000, has given several times to Obama's campaign.

The $2300 hard money limit isn't easy to get around.

I give money to McCain in the summer (before the the campaign tanked) and again in Dec. when he was still in trouble.

igsoy · 03-07-2008, 03:03 PM

A single person can give 2300 for the primary fund and the same for the general election fund. That person could also send equal amounts in the name of spouse and children. There are rules about kids donations: must be the kid's money(or trust fund), must not be reimbursed by the parent, and must be made knowingly and voluntarily... In other words, yeah, sure, who's gonna check?

So, hypothetically, a wealthy supporter could give 4600 themselves, 4600 for their spouse, and 4600 x their 3 kids = total of $23,000. Then they could also give $65,000 per family member to PACs and state and national party committees, and the PACs are the ones running most of the TV ads anyway.

So if someone quite wealthy was determined to max out, they could give $350,000 through their hypothetical family for every 2 year election cycle.

tryan · 03-07-2008, 03:20 PM

Quote:

"...more than 90% of donations were $100 or less." So not many big donors gave into that 55 Million last month.

yeah, 99 $100 or less and one big whopper donation.

I've given to local candidates ... but not the national level. Reason that the locals might actually help ME.

clifp · 03-07-2008, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igsoy

A single person can give 2300 for the primary fund and the same for the general election fund. That person could also send equal amounts in the name of spouse and children. There are rules about kids donations: must be the kid's money(or trust fund), must not be reimbursed by the parent, and must be made knowingly and voluntarily... In other words, yeah, sure, who's gonna check?

So, hypothetically, a wealthy supporter could give 4600 themselves, 4600 for their spouse, and 4600 x their 3 kids = total of $23,000. Then they could also give $65,000 per family member to PACs and state and national party committees, and the PACs are the ones running most of the TV ads anyway.

So if someone quite wealthy was determined to max out, they could give $350,000 through their hypothetical family for every 2 year election cycle.

Scanning various donation websites I see very few kid donations. So I think the practice is fairly rare. PACs are still a major source of money, but thanks to McCain-Feingold the value of PAC money to a campaign is much lower than hard money.

In particular it can't be use to fund the I am joe candidate and I approve of this message ads.

igsoy · 03-07-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clifp

PACs are still a major source of money, but thanks to McCain-Feingold the value of PAC money to a campaign is much lower than hard money.

In particular it can't be use to fund the I am joe candidate and I approve of this message ads.

I have to disagree here. I think it's clear that the most influential TV ads in the last two major elections have been the negative and scaremongering ads, and those are the ones most often paid for by PACs and do not include the candidate's endorsement. They often include questionable "facts" and the candidate does not want to be seen as playing dirty, so will not sign off on it officially, but will not disavow the groups responsible because they are really helping the cause.

jazz4cash · 03-07-2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy888

Seriously folks who is sending these two money?? the middle class?? Heck 3+ a gallon gasoline, food prices upup and away, housing in the toilet. Who is sending these two clowns cash

?

This comment does seem rather angry for a guy newly retired to the genteel environs of Cahahlina! You OK newguy?

Texarkandy · 03-07-2008, 07:38 PM

I gave $25 to RP in Dec and still feel like I got my money's worth (it was my first political donation ever -what can I say, I'm cheap!)

Arc · 03-07-2008, 07:52 PM

Are the dollars reported actual cash received or just pledged?

03-07-2008, 05:24 AM	#1
newguy88 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,119	90 million Obama Clinton last month who is giving? Seriously folks who is sending these two money?? the middle class?? Heck 3+ a gallon gasoline, food prices upup and away, housing in the toilet. Who is sending these two clowns cash?

03-07-2008, 07:48 AM	#2
Notmuchlonger Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,013	Obviously someone who isn't quite as pissed off as you always are __________________ Call the troops out in a hurry. This is what we've waited for. This is it boys, this is war.

03-07-2008, 07:49 AM	#3
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03-07-2008, 08:38 AM	#4
Want2retire Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Orleans Posts: 6,097	I don't know anybody who has sent money to Clinton, Obama, or McCain, for that matter. I would guess that most presidential hopefuls get money from lobbyists, special interest groups, people hoping for political favors/positions, their political party, and so on. As for grass roots support, who has any extra money to send off, with gas prices spiralling upwards, food prices not far behind, and rampant foreclosures? And in our cases, an economy/market that is not doing so well and chipping away at our ER money. __________________ Dreaming of retirement.... " - - my greatest skill has been to want but little - - " (Henry David Thoreau, in Walden)

03-07-2008, 08:39 AM	#5
Notmuchlonger Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,013	Warren Buffet has extra money. He likes both democrats. I wouldn't call WB a clown either . __________________ Call the troops out in a hurry. This is what we've waited for. This is it boys, this is war.

03-07-2008, 09:33 AM	#6
tryan Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,462	... and I thought there were limits put on how much a single person can give .... __________________ FIRE'd since 2005

03-07-2008, 09:45 AM	#8
EarlyRetiree1978 Dryer sheet aficionado Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 34	According to Baraks Website: "...more than 90% of donations were $100 or less." So not many big donors gave into that 55 Million last month.

03-07-2008, 10:47 AM	#9
Notmuchlonger Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,013	Wow thats alot of clowns. __________________ Call the troops out in a hurry. This is what we've waited for. This is it boys, this is war.

03-07-2008, 12:58 PM	#11
chinaco Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,951	Not me. I rarely donate. The internet has changed the way funding works. The masses can make a difference with a few bucks. __________________ Disclaimer: I make no warranty or guarantee about the accuracy or completeness of this information. I am not a financial planner, my comments only represent my opinion.

03-07-2008, 01:24 PM	#12
Robert the Red Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 290	I gave $333. Try to find me here.

03-07-2008, 02:52 PM	#13
clifp Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,167	Obama has done a remarkable job in getting serial smallish $50 donations from millions(?). The couple that give Barack $80 instead of going out to dinner, I think is probably pretty typical. My sister who voted for Bush in 2000, has given several times to Obama's campaign. The $2300 hard money limit isn't easy to get around. I give money to McCain in the summer (before the the campaign tanked) and again in Dec. when he was still in trouble.

03-07-2008, 03:03 PM	#14
igsoy Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	A single person can give 2300 for the primary fund and the same for the general election fund. That person could also send equal amounts in the name of spouse and children. There are rules about kids donations: must be the kid's money(or trust fund), must not be reimbursed by the parent, and must be made knowingly and voluntarily... In other words, yeah, sure, who's gonna check? So, hypothetically, a wealthy supporter could give 4600 themselves, 4600 for their spouse, and 4600 x their 3 kids = total of $23,000. Then they could also give $65,000 per family member to PACs and state and national party committees, and the PACs are the ones running most of the TV ads anyway. So if someone quite wealthy was determined to max out, they could give $350,000 through their hypothetical family for every 2 year election cycle.

03-07-2008, 07:38 PM	#19
Texarkandy Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,048	I gave $25 to RP in Dec and still feel like I got my money's worth (it was my first political donation ever -what can I say, I'm cheap!) __________________

03-07-2008, 07:52 PM	#20
Arc Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 370	Are the dollars reported actual cash received or just pledged?

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