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Old 11-28-2015, 02:07 AM   #21
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Have you updated to iOS 9?

The two finger gesture is a big improvement IMHO over the old tap and hold loupe. Just place your index and middle fingers on the keyboard (keep them touching each other, not spread out) - the the labels on the keys fade and moving your fingers around moves the insertion cursor.

Here's Apple's web page describing this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205408
mpeirce and others who have chimed in w/helpful tips: Thanks for the ideas. I saw your message this AM and got excited because I had indeed previously put two fingers of one hand spread out or 1 finger from both hands on the keyboard so I was sure what you wrote here was going to be the solution.
We had to leave on a trip today so I didn't have time to try this before we left.
When we got back, I tried what you suggested here and...............................
unfortunately the same nothing happened. I checked for version of operating system..........(settings/general).........it say v 9.0 (doesn't say iOS).

btw............what you said originally validates my pet theory: The best teachers are those who have recently fallen into the pit and successfully climbed out because they remember the pit. The experts assume too much and cannot comprehend how much havoc we idiots are capable of because we read and understand literally what you say and nothing more.
Here's what you said originally: "On the iPad using iOS 9 or later you can control the text cursor from the keyboard. Just place two fingers on the keyboard at once. The individual keys will fade out and it acts just like a trackpad. Move you two finger around to move the cursor.".......nothing about having having them together......so I can tell you're an expert

I'll try again in the AM..........
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Old 11-28-2015, 02:08 AM   #22
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Kanehoe, are you using apple or chromebook or android? Just realized I do not know which way you're coming from.
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But if it is so well thought out, why do so many here find it clumsy?
The rest of my message explained why.

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It's not just web sites I'm talking about
There are a similar set of developer standards, I'm sure. I am not an app developer. My business is web.

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And it's not just a matter of adapting, IMO.
Yet, there are millions more people engaged through the web now that mobile technology is so accessible to them.
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trying to learn how to use a tablet on the fly:

1)when using a laptop and you make a typo, you can move the cursor to the
error region and then delete/correct. Can you do something similar w/ a tablet. The only way I know is to backspace/delete all the way from the end to the error. If the error is in the beginning, that's a lot to erase and retype.
2)how do you edit copy/edit paste to copy something; I can do ctl-c,ctl-v on
a Chromebook but don't know how to do that on a tablet.

just fyi, I'm using an Ipad.
To copy / edit / paste with an iPad, once you are in a dialog window, tap twice on a spot. The "select / select all " bubble appears. Choose it, and that word is then just highlighted in blue, with black dots on each side. With this highlighted area you can copy, cut, paste, replace. Slide the dots to expand the highlighted area.
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But if it is so well thought out, why do so many here find it clumsy?
The rest of my message explained why.
Sorry, I really didn't see any 'why' in your 'explanation'. If anything, it just seemed to blame the user?

There are a similar set of developer standards, I'm sure. I am not an app developer. My business is web.

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And it's not just a matter of adapting, IMO.
Yet, there are millions more people engaged through the web now that mobile technology is so accessible to them.
Why throw in a red herring? Mobile technology is popular for many reasons. That doesn't mean the interface doesn't have serious gaps, it only means those gaps aren't so bad that it keeps people from using their devices at all.

Heck, I can use my tablet for hours w/o having to go in and edit text, or do much of the things I find clumsy. But when I do need to do those things, I wish it was easier. That doesn't keep me from using my tablet, or others from using their smart phones. With your logic, we'd still start our cars with a crank - they sold plenty of crank start Model T Fords, why make it better?

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Sorry, I really didn't see any 'why' in your 'explanation'. If anything, it just seemed to blame the user?
On the contrary. Here is the portion of my message which you skipped over:
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Quite the opposite: They thought it through and established mobile accessibility standards and design principles for websites and web applications. The problem occurs when developers ... fail to update their software to reflect these standards and principles, or when they do so they fail to do so effectively.
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Why throw in a red herring?
Why call a substantive point a "red herring"?

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Mobile technology is popular for many reasons.
And that would not have been possible if mobile was clunky. What you should note is how, when done correctly, the technology is very well received and not deemed clumsy at all. It's really all the fault of (us) (application and website) developers. When we did our jobs well (and that was very often the case) there was no clumsiness, and adoption was vigorous.
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Quite the opposite: They thought it through and established mobile accessibility standards and design principles for websites and web applications. The problem occurs when developers ... fail to update their software to reflect these standards and principles, or when they do so they fail to do so effectively.
I didn't skip over it - it didn't address my issue. I pointed out - these problems don't exist only in web pages - a text editor has some clumsy issues - that's why I said it wasn't an explanation.

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And that would not have been possible if mobile was clunky. What you should note is how, when done correctly, the technology is very well received and not deemed clumsy at all. It's really all the fault of (us) (application and website) developers. When we did our jobs well (and that was very often the case) there was no clumsiness, and adoption was vigorous.
I can only repeat myself - the problems don't make the device unworkable - it's still a 'value proposition' for many. It is just clumsy in certain modes, and I think it could have and should have been made better.

You are saying 'success' indicates there is no room for improvement - that's just wrong, so I'll drop this as it won't go anywhere with you but in circles.

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I didn't skip over it - it didn't address my issue. I pointed out - these problems don't exist only in web pages
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There are a similar set of developer standards, I'm sure.
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I can only repeat myself
As I was forced to. The answer is there in my responses.

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You are saying 'success' indicates there is no room for improvement
No I'm not. I never said anything close to that. It seems like you're working really hard to come up with something to argue against. As a matter of fact, I even went so far as to outline the paths for future enhancements:
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Rather, the solutions to these problems involve either doing away with the need for complex mouse or mouse-and-keyboard gestures, or replacing some of them with some touch-specific gestures - gestures that are impractical with a mouse, such as two finger gestures, and gestures that differentiate effect based on the pressure applied.
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To copy / edit / paste with an iPad, once you are in a dialog window, tap twice on a spot. The "select / select all " bubble appears. Choose it, and that word is then just highlighted in blue, with black dots on each side. With this highlighted area you can copy, cut, paste, replace. Slide the dots to expand the highlighted area.
And the teacher of the year award goes to MichaelB..........tho I won't tell you how long it or if it's reproducible........logged in w/ random typing to hopefully evade the key loggers.............a "took " belongs after "it" but life is too short to fix error.
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And the teacher of the year award goes to MichaelB..........tho I won't tell you how long it or if it's reproducible........logged in w/ random typing to hopefully evade the key loggers.............a "took " belongs after "it" but life is too short to fix error.
I feel cheated........this library iPad didn't have that "sent from my iPad" signature message at the end.
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I feel cheated........this library iPad didn't have that "sent from my iPad" signature message at the end.
Next training session: "Look in settings and find where to customize the signature"
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ERD50 is absolutely right. Tablets work OK for simple touchy-feely tasks, but every once in a while, one has to do something that is just not currently possible. When using EMACS, for example, I routinely drop to the LISP interpreter using the usual Control-Alt-Meta-(double-click button 3) shortcut, but there's no Control, Alt, or Meta key on the virtual keyboard, and I don't see how a gesture can be set up to do the double-click on button 3 as quickly and efficiently as I can do this on the Symbolics keyboard and trackball.

The tablet makers clearly have not thought through how to accomplish these mundane everyday tasks. One button, and it doesn't even do anything beyond leave the program for the desktop! Good grief. Nobody's going to buy these things.



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