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Old 08-14-2015, 08:44 AM   #21
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I also never, ever "upgrade" a machine's OS. Far too many things to go wrong.
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Old 08-14-2015, 09:05 AM   #22
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Imoldernu, what a disaster! I am so sorry you are going through this. Yours is not the only tale of woe related to Windows 10 installation that I have read, either. If misery loves company, you do have some apparently.

I think Microsoft should never have encouraged people to upgrade their operating system. Back in the days of Windows 95 I thought nothing of installing a new operating system but Windows is much more complex now than it was then, and I just don't relish the process any more.

I need a new computer anyway very soon, so I am looking at laptops with Windows 10 pre-installed.
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Old 08-14-2015, 01:37 PM   #23
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It gets worse...

So... Lost one comuter and a 2T hard drive...
On to the second computer, on which i had installed W10 successfully.
That was the computer which held duplicates of my files... in essence my backup.
Because I didn't trust W10, I looked at the option to restore to Widows 7. Why not?
So, on the opening window I see Restore.. to go back to windows.
This mentally challenged mind, thought.. Yeah... like System Restore.
system retore returns to the last good wokig system.

Not so... It means restore only the original operating system.. The rest of the information ... in my case 780Gigabytes of files... gone... in about 7 seconds.

Well, at least it gave me the orignal Windows 7 system. I spent about 8 hours restoring programs, downloading some, running others from CD's and DVD's. I also copied whatever files i could find from my third computer, my Acer laptop, and my tablet.

Not the end of the world...... During this process, I started and restarted Widows 7 many, many times... it was almost back to the way it was.

This AM... first boot... up comes the exact same error file that killed my first computer. Can't go on .... missing File:/BCD on Sata 0.

Am down to my laptop, which now only loads Linux, which i don't understand.

Have decided to forego computers and get in to politics. Too old to do anyting else.
Back to the Public Library.
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Old 08-14-2015, 02:01 PM   #24
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Imoldernu, you may be able to recover some of the photos using your Linux laptop, an external drive cable/enclosure, and software such as PhotoRec.

PhotoRec - Digital Picture and File Recovery

"PhotoRec is file data recovery software designed to recover lost files including video, documents and archives from hard disks, CD-ROMs, and lost pictures (thus the Photo Recovery name) from digital camera memory. PhotoRec ignores the file system and goes after the underlying data, so it will still work even if your media's file system has been severely damaged or reformatted."
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Old 08-14-2015, 02:44 PM   #25
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Tale of woe indeed.

By, "lost 2TB hard drive" do you mean data lost (due to inadvertent format) or drive has some sort of read/write issues?

If you're lucky, you may be able to recover a "formatted" drive, depending on how it was formatted. Requires special software and more than you average nephew/next door neighbor's kid.

For physical issues, get Spinrite (www.grc.com) and thank me later. It works like a dream and can recover almost ANY drive, regardless of format.

I think everyone else mentioned the other issues to cover this tale of woe (e.g. offline backups).

FWIW, I use CrashPlan backup service. Works well and thoroughly encrypted online. customer service is quite good too. Sweet spot is that you can use their software for free backups if you backup to a (highly trusted) friend/family member at another location. They install the software and you backup to their site (presumable to an external drive); they can do the same to your site. I use their servers, so not free, but quite reasonable for several computers.

Reminds me, I do need to re-do my local, offline harddrive though... it's been unplugged for months and I keep ignoring the pop-ups...
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Feel very bad/sad for OP.

My plan was to upgrade near the end of the free 1 year period. Will have to reconsider said plan, especially after reading posts suggesting W10 only with new system.
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@ OP, very sad to hear it ... but it's not the first or last Windows upgrade nightmare we're going to hear. And it's also why our whole household went cold-turkey Mac about 18 months ago.

3 ipads, 5 ipods, 4 iphones, 2 imacs and an aging jellybean later, we're not going back! I'm a relatively happy MSFT shareholder, but not a user/customer any longer
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Thank you... Thank you... Thank you...

As you may guess, I won't really give up, but this is going to take time, be a learning experience, and hopefully some helpful exercise for my creeping AZ.

Am finding that in my smarter years, I saved much of the important stuff... l wills, titles and legal stuff on CD's or thumb drives.

The UBCD ISO brings me to "Parted Magic"... a linux program that is supposed to allow "fixing" of whatever's broken... It lets me in to Firefox, so I can stiil explore the problems and do email etc. The rest of linux... not so easy for a newbie, especially a newbie that has no idea of what the acronyms mean.

Anyway, I can still see all of the original system... files etc, etc., so expect after a while I'll be able to find "stuff".

The strangest problem came from my accidental formatting of, and putting UBCD on that 2T hard drive. First... the device manager sees and names the file. The problem is that windows doesn't recognize the drive in any way. At one time, I found a site that said the "descriptor code" was missing. For the techies... I connected the hard drive to my Sony Media Player.... It shows the UBCD Files, so the drive is ok... (Sony doesn't do anything, as it's looking for picture, music, or photo files)... which all were deleted when I accidentally formatted the drive.

Seagate is an unfriendly support site... Windows tries to be helpful but it would take three years to follow their instructions. I'll try some of the suggestions that ali stair and jimbee made...

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As to Windows 10... Since the world didn't fall apart, I'm guessing that most upgrades went well, with no problems. If that had been the case with me, I'd be a Microsoft fan... when I go to the web for answers, I find that not everyone is in good shape. Some of my specific questions bring up Google hits of more than 1 million, to the point that there are more questions than answers. The answers that seem to work, are not "fixit" programs, but lines and lines of Dos commands.

Fortunately, my computers are all old, refurbs,or hand me downs where my investment in total for 7 computers is less than $2K. Going forward, will likely look at Apple.

Did Microsoft help themselves with this new roll out?

Just my opinion...
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Have decided to forego computers and get in to politics. Too old to do anyting else...
You are kidding, right? I am gradually losing interest in computers, and about politics, hell, why would I want the aggravation just thinking about it?

Nowadays, if there's anything I still find interesting, it's how to make more money with passive investing. Even if something is challenging, I would only get engaged if it has a promise to pay off.

About Win 10, a few months ago a little pop-up box came up on my screen to seduce me to register for a free update. I am not sure what that thing has been doing to my computer in the background over that long time, but it said it would let me know.

After reading about your fiasco I have just run a full backup on my PC. Still, I don't know why I should bother with this update. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

I still remember the time I installed SP4 for Win 2000. After the installation, the PC was dead as a doorstop. Research on MS Web site found an article that said that SP4 was not compatible with the DAT (Digital Audio Tape) drive that was on my machine. Great!

Could I remove the drive from the SCSI controller to help? Nope, that would not work, as harm had been irreversibly done. The only solution or work-around offered by that MS KB (Knowledge Base) article was to reinstall Win 2000. I did not lose the drive's content, but the recovery was slow and painful.

I still curse at MS to this day. They knew that SP4 was not compatible with the DAT drive, still did not run a hardware test to detect it before installation. What a bunch of ...<blank>... programmers!
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For backups and cloning I would buy one of these dual HDD docks and some external drives. Full clone takes 3 hours and individual file copying is very fast when using USB 3.0. It's a cheap option too since 2TB drives go for $70.

For data recovery, I've tried a few applications including Minitool Power receovery and EaseUS. Just google them. The one which recovered more files was Minitool

It is painful to lose anything. So hopefully you can recover everything vital and personal
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Get a Mac. There's a bit of a learning curve but it "just works". Do yourself a favor and dump the Windows stress. I did. NEVER will go back.
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I used to drink the Windows Kool-Aid by the gallon but had to stop because the taste got to be so bitter.
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Anyway, I can still see all of the original system... files etc, etc., so expect after a while I'll be able to find "stuff".

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Hopefully, you'll be able to at least get the important data files somewhere safe.

A system is replaceable, but important data is not.

Having been burned a few times in the past, I'm one of those folks who say backing up is my friend and not my foe.
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Get a Mac. There's a bit of a learning curve but it "just works". Do yourself a favor and dump the Windows stress. I did. NEVER will go back.
Glad to hear you say this. Just put an order in for our first Mac. A little nervous about compatibility with Excel and Word... really like those programs.

To the OP... my chest just tightens up reading this. This kind of stuff drives me crazy. I've been seeing the windows 10 update pop up on my PC and keep wondering if I should do it. Guess I won't be doing that. Sorry for your pain but it's an excellent PSA to us all. Thank you for that.
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Glad to hear you say this. Just put an order in for our first Mac. A little nervous about compatibility with Excel and Word... really like those programs.
Don't worry. The Mac versions of Excel and Word work exactly the same as the PC versions. I had no trouble making that transition.

What I do miss is some of the programs that simply are not available for Mac.
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If you live anywhere near an Apple Store, get the $99 1-year membership with your computer purchase ... It lets you sign up for one-to-one training that is amazingly helpful when you are switching to Mac.

From what I recall, you can only buy it when you buy a computer.

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I went with the Macbook Pro this week because I am just tired of reconfiguring my Dell laptop--it's almost three years old and came with Windows 8; I looked forward to Windows 10 but when it screwed things up with my wifi, I really didn't want to restore Windows 8. The Dell was around $500 so I will probably continue to use it plugged into the router for banking and use the Mac for everything else.

I really loved the MSDOS machines because you *could* easily go into them and change settings when needed (so go figure) but I think I am past that for what I want a computer to do these days. DH has a six year old Version of the Mac I just bought and has never had a bit of trouble with it. He is computer-challenged so that is a good thing.

I did get the $99 one-on-one program but good news for DH, they will let him piggyback on it--he was also able to extend his for three or so years as he was making movies and websites and needed guidance. He more than made up for the people who never use theirs after they pay for it.

I would drink the Apple Koolaid but the cultish ambiance of the store just makes me laugh every time we go in there (seriously, someone named the helper area the "Genius Bar"? With a straight face?). I just know I will get kicked out of the one-on-one sessions.
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Thanks for the tip. Sounds like a good idea although I'd realistically not likely do this unless the users manual is terrible. Also wondering if there's a YouTube tutorial. Seems like you can find everything on YouTube now!
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I had sort of insider knowledge windows 10 would be bad from friends but it isn't even worth trading on since the stock is actually near an all time high.
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Get a Mac. There's a bit of a learning curve but it "just works". Do yourself a favor and dump the Windows stress. I did. NEVER will go back.
Counting 3 Macs at w*rk, I've now had 7 Macs in 30 years (heh, heh, maybe they were called Apple back then, I forget.) One was a used one from w*rk and it did eventually just "quit" (not a crash, I don't think. It simply would no longer power up. My desk top is DW's. She plays games in addition to the stuff I do.) Other than that, I've been relatively free of hardware and OS issues. I'm still trying to master my newest laptop. Lots of changes since my last one (which still works and is my back up) but virtually everything from the old one seems to be compatible with the new one - though I've not "stressed" it. When my Megacorp switched to PC (mid 90's) I had nothing but trouble, but we had a whole IT staff who was pretty good at fixing or replacing as needed. Don't recall ever calling IT (or knowing they existed) back when I was using a Mac at w*rk. I sure hope I don't jinx myself with all this talk.

Honest to gosh, not bragging or trying to add to anyone's woes, but (other than cost) I have wondered why folks seem to gravitate toward Windows. I understand that there may be more applications, but I can't seem to use all the ones I have on my Mac. So, okay, I am a proud dinosaur, but other than that... what is the attraction of Windows?

Does anyone know if Macs have issues when updating the OS? I've never done it nor found any particular reason to do so. Again, I use the computer for email, Web Surfing, ER Forum, spread sheets, "typing", music, DVDs, etc. Not a power user, so I'm sure I'm missing a lot - though I don't miss it. So, respectfully, I guess I'm adding my endorsement of Macs to stlguy57's. Especially when it comes to computers (and their OSs) YMMV.
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