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Old 03-17-2009, 10:07 PM   #21
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It's great news that she got the job, Al. I hope it all works out for her. Just one word of warning regarding slips, cups, and lips. In my w*rking career I twice had situations where I was told I had gotten a job, only to have it fall through. Try to make sure she waits until she gets a written offer before she starts buying stuff and counting her chickens and everything. I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, but it's pretty devastating to have the rug pulled out from under you when you are counting on something.

By the way, my nephew just started there at U of Wash St.Louis. Sounds like a great school.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:44 AM   #23
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Great news Al. My daughter graduates in May but with a studio art major the big-bucks offers are not exactly rolling in
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:57 AM   #24
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T-Al, CONGRATULATIONS to your daughter. Getting a good job in this economy is quite a coup.

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How does she tell if her salary & benefits are appropriate or if she's being lowballed? Does the college or other alumni or her professional association give her a ballpark estimate?
When I was an EE senior at A&M, we got lots of information by word of mouth from other EE students. Granted, we were a pretty tight-knit bunch and as time passed I learned of the amounts offered for most of the job offers in my graduating class. Every offer that everyone got was discussed among us, and we all knew each other's approximate GPA so it was pretty easy to tell what was a lowball offer. I also learned which companies routinely made high (or low) offers.

Also, the university had an employment office for graduating students, though which the interviews were conducted. That office provided statistics that I perused, as well, and these were consistent with the word of mouth info that I was getting. But I found it more helpful to hear about the offers for people that I knew - - because I knew their GPA's and had a pretty good idea of how they would come off in an interview, and I knew who had a relative working for that firm and so on.

Word of mouth also helped when finishing up my Ph.D., though the pool of graduates was much smaller.
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I was just about to ask if she wants to work for a company that treats its new hires like that.
Actually, it wasn't as bad as it sounds from my post. She was in contact with them, and they said it would be a while.

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How does she tell if her salary & benefits are appropriate or if she's being lowballed? Does the college or other alumni or her professional association give her a ballpark estimate?
What W2R said. Of course, in her current state of mind, she'll take anything they offer.

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Try to make sure she waits until she gets a written offer before she starts buying stuff and counting her chickens and everything.
I feel the same way, but I have chosen not to say anything. It's a very reputable company, one of Fortune Magazine's 100 best companies to work for, so she's probably OK. But most of all, it's time for Dad to not be putting his 2 cents in.
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What W2R said. Of course, in her current state of mind, she'll take anything they offer.
I can see that. Like it or not, experience is experience and for a first job, the experience is arguably more critical than the size of the offer. The first job out of college often has to be a compromise to get the experience that so many other opportunities will require.

Once you gain experience and prove yourself, then you can drive harder bargains when looking for work. (At least in a typical economy.)
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Try to make sure she waits until she gets a written offer before she starts buying stuff and counting her chickens and everything.
I think she gets that. Here's the email I got from her this morning:
Hey, lets keep the job on the dl for now until everything is more certain and I have more details. Thanks!
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Sounds like she's got her head on straight. Hopefully she doesn't read these posts. Congrats to her again.
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I feel the same way, but I have chosen not to say anything. It's a very reputable company, one of Fortune Magazine's 100 best companies to work for, so she's probably OK. But most of all, it's time for Dad to not be putting his 2 cents in.
I've noticed that the most frequently used empty-nesting parenting skill seems to be keeping one's mouth shut, except for an occasional "Congratulations!" or gratuitous outpouring of money...
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I've noticed that the most frequently used empty-nesting parenting skill seems to be keeping one's mouth shut, except for an occasional "Congratulations!" or gratuitous outpouring of money...
Oh, yeah. And the effect multiplies when they have kids of their own, and you have an idea that you might have handled a situation just a tad differently. Best strategy: zip it up.

But it is funny watching your kids deal with your grandkids - you hear them saying the exact same thing you used to say, and for which they gave you endless flack back in the day.

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T-AL - congratulations to your daughter - I remember you telling me she was getting a degree in biomedical engineering. I'm sure she'll have an interesting career ahead.
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But it is funny watching your kids deal with your grandkids - you hear them saying the exact same thing you used to say, and for which they gave you endless flack back in the day.
Since I became a parent I've been apologizing to my father at least quarterly-- for over 16 years.

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