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Old 09-29-2011, 07:40 AM   #21
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One big issue will be opening up the platform for developers and content from other providers.
I don't see why that would be an issue. Android is already open, in the sense that its source code is public.
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Old 09-30-2011, 01:48 PM   #22
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I am really thinking about this for DD for Christmas. Am I correct that no monthly fees would be needed if one uses it off the wireless router at home?
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Am I correct that no monthly fees would be needed if one uses it off the wireless router at home?
Correct.

The Fire, like the Kindle, isn't a subscription service. You only pay when you download/purchase something.
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Will one be able to surf the web like with the iPad? That to me would be the biggie.
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Will one be able to surf the web like with the iPad? That to me would be the biggie.
Yes, according to Amazon it has a built in browser designed to be very speedy.
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Yes, according to Amazon it has a built in browser designed to be very speedy.
I understand it is the Android browser which, at least on my smartphone, is quite good.
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Rich, all I know is what I read on the intertubes:

Fire Silk browser

I've seen some security concerns about the browser's "man in the middle" architecture, but you can apparently turn it off and use the browser to bypass the Amazon 'cloud':

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I would think that a $200 Kindle Fire would hurt Apple IPAD sales because there are many people out there that might consider buying an IPAD for $500 or $600 but are on the fence because of price. At $200 the Kindle Fire is a much cheaper, less capable device but many people will buy it on price alone, especially now that the economy is weak and people have less money to blow on toys. And if people are only looking for a basic device to surf the net and perhaps add a few apps, they will not spend the extra amount required to buy an IPAD.
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I've seen some security concerns about the browser's "man in the middle" architecture, but you can apparently turn it off and use the browser to bypass the Amazon 'cloud':

Amazonís Kindle Fire Silk browser has serious security concerns | ZDNet
Interesting. Apparentlly Android-based hardware vendors are free to replace or modify the native Android OS, so maybe Amazon built their own or added/modified the original.

The reviews should be helpful - stuff loved by techies.
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One thing that I noticed is that some of the Kindle products offer both 3G (free) and Wifi but the Kindle Fire only has Wifi. That would limit your web browsing when wifi is not available as when riding as a passenger in a car. There are also places, like Chicago's ORD that do not have free wifi.
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One thing that I noticed is that some of the Kindle products offer both 3G (free) and Wifi but the Kindle Fire only has Wifi. That would limit your web browsing when wifi is not available as when riding as a passenger in a car. There are also places, like Chicago's ORD that do not have free wifi.
True, but if Amazon offered 3G connectivity you'd almost certainly have to pay a monthly fee to have internet access outside a wifi network, just as you do for the iPad.

Amazon offers 3G connectivity (free) on the Kindle because they cut a deal with AT&T (or whoever) for limited access to download books or order Amazon products. Unlike the Fire, no real browsing or heavy bandwidth use is practical on the Kindles.

As has been said, the Fire doesn't have all the bells and whistles found on the iPad. It also sells for at least 60% less and requires no monthly internet access fee. It may not work for everyone but it will fill the bill for a lot of people. Only time will tell if the product is a real success.
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IMO - Competition is GOOOOOOOOOD....... No matter what product you like, we all win!!!
Tell that to the betamax owners.
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Tell that to the betamax owners.
Betamax owners? Were there any?? I thought that was the problem!
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Betamax owners? Were there any?? I thought that was the problem!
Unfortunately, the old axiom of "quantity over quality" prevailed in that "war".

"Back in the day", we used Beta for corporate communications/training. IMHO, the quality of the picture/sound was much better than my simple home unit (which was less expensive than Beta).

You pander to the masses if you are running a common business. Not everybody is willing to pay for quality (reference: Wally World)...
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Tell that to the betamax owners.
I don't understand how that = 'competition not good'?

People forget, that while BetaMax had higher picture quality, the playing time was less than VHS. Many people chose convenience over absolute quality. The market spoke. There are different ways to measure 'value'.

What's the alternative - shut down competition? How would that work? I guess we could not allow development of the DVD, or streaming video, or Blu-Ray. Floppy discs instead of USB flash drives? Who would decide?

Sure, there are growing pains along the way with competition, some dead ends. It still seems better than any alternative.

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Rich, all I know is what I read on the intertubes:

Fire Silk browser

I've seen some security concerns about the browser's "man in the middle" architecture, but you can apparently turn it off and use the browser to bypass the Amazon 'cloud':

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This might be a concern to some. Aside for the MIM exploit... just basic privacy concerns.

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Amazon Silkís terms and conditions state that Amazon will keep your the Web addresses you visit, the IP addresses you use, and your Kindle Fireís unique media access control (MAC) addresses for 30 days. With that information, Amazon can track your every Web move.
I wonder if AMZN Fire will allow users to install other mobile browser software... (e.g., Firefox)?
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I don't understand how that = 'competition not good'?
It points out one of the downsides of competition -- lack of standardization.
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It points out one of the downsides of competition -- lack of standardization.
Everything has downsides. Rigid adherence to standardization can thwart progress.

There's balance in everything, I just don't think the Beta/VHS story is a good argument against open competition. If you are going to get into a new technology early, you risk making the 'wrong' choice. If that is a big deal to you, wait for the market to settle in. For many, having the tech for that period of time is reward enough.

I have trouble imagining a world where we would have said "Hey, you VHS development guys - stop what you're doing! We have Beta, and it's good enough! So what if people have to change the tape in the middle of a movie!" Who would make these decisions?

It's not really a matter of 'standardization'. We can have standards, and it does not stop anyone from promoting alternate technology (it just means stuff sold under that standard must actually meet the standard). Vinyl LPs were made to a standard, 33 1/3 RPM, RIAA equalization, limits on groove excursions, etc. We still got the CD and solid state players.

I guess I don't understand where you are coming from on this.

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Not an argument against competition, just pointing out a downside of competition in a humorous way. It was a joke.
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The Amazon tablet can only be compared to the least expensive iPad, given that they both lack 3G/4G capability. The price comparison should also take into account that the Amazon tablet has a smaller screen than the iPad, so the comparison isn't exactly Apples to...well, you get the idea. Seems to me that Apple has to drop the price of the entry level iPad by at least $100 to prevent loss of market share.
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