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Old 07-29-2009, 05:28 PM   #21
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We've seen the fall of the Soviet empire. In 1991 the Soviet Union ceased to exist, splintering into 15 separate republics.

For years it was said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire." Its member nations spanned the globe so that, at all times, the sun was shining somewhere on that empire. It controlled enormous wealth and territory. The burden of policing and protecting the world was too great, and after the staggering cost of World War II, the British Empire dissolved within a few decades.

Going back further, we see the rise and fall of other empires: Napoleon's French Empire. The Ottoman Empire. The Islamic Empire. The Roman Empire. The Hellenistic Empire of Alexander the Great. The Persian Empire. Babylon. Assyria. Egypt of the pharaohs. The Aztecs. The Mayans. Ancient Greece.

At their peak, all of them were probably certain they'd be "superpowers" for all time. America will follow the same path as previous empires that have gone before, none have ever persisted forever.

The 19th century was Britain.
The 20th century was America.
The 21st century will be China?
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This is a difficult question for USA citizens to answer. It requires an objectivity while living the history. The USA is like all empires it will/has decline and the pattern can be found in previous empires. Those who do not think this is the case can respond in option 4 and describe why the USA will be the one empire in all of history not to decline.

It is easier to see the decline, when looking back at the Roman, Spanish, English and USSR Empires. The USA parallels are there.

I think the next phase will be one of regional empires as the USA declines, weakens and pulls back from the international scene.
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India
EU/Russia
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This is a difficult question for USA citizens to answer.
Right, so I'll chime in, being a citizen of Canada and the EU.

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It is easier to see the decline, when looking back at the Roman, Spanish, English and USSR Empires. The USA parallels are there.
Unfortunately I think you're right.

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I think the next phase will be one of regional empires as the USA declines, weakens and pulls back from the international scene.
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IMHO the 21st Century will be China's. There are lots of things wrong in China, but sheer size, work ethic and tolerance for LBYM are going to propel China to a preeminent position.
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Right, so I'll chime in, being a citizen of Canada and the EU.



Unfortunately I think you're right.



IMHO the 21st Century will be China's. There are lots of things wrong in China, but sheer size, work ethic and tolerance for LBYM are going to propel China to a preeminent position.
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IMHO the 21st Century will be China's. There are lots of things wrong in China, but sheer size, work ethic and tolerance for LBYM are going to propel China to a preeminent position.
As an empire declines there are competing countries that try to fill the void and provide stability in their area. It doesn't go directly from one empire to another. So China might be the next major empire but I think before that; regional empires will occur.
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As an empire declines there are competing countries that try to fill the void and provide stability in their area. It doesn't go directly from one empire to another. So China might be the next major empire but I think before that; regional empires will occur.
Well, either way, it'll be interesting!
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Well, either way, it'll be interesting!
Ve have a plan - soften em up with Coke, McDonald's, Walmart and then and then - enslave them with credit cards.

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I think capitalism will triumph over imperialism every time.

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I think anyone who believes that we have a decline in American imperialism can't see 100,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Outside the obvious bits of imperialism, we are running smarter operating procedures. We don't actually need to fly our flags on your land, but we continue to have "advisers" and "foreign aid", and our carriers can be next door within a month of your acting naughty. It's really a much smarter way to run an empire.
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IMHO the 21st Century will be China's. There are lots of things wrong in China, but sheer size, work ethic and tolerance for LBYM are going to propel China to a preeminent position.
Ahh, but the Chinese government may have learned one too many lessons from the West.

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Asian countries are beginning to build extensive social-welfare programs like those that long have existed in the West, a move they hope will encourage their people to save less, spend more and help put the region -- and the world -- on a stronger economic footing in the years ahead.
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Analysts have long worried that Asians lack sufficient health, unemployment and other benefits to tide them over when downturns or emergencies occur, or to prepare for old age. Only about 30% of Asia's elderly receive a pension, according to the United Nations. Just 20% of its unemployed have access to unemployment benefits or other work-related social programs.
Partly as a result, Asians tend to save more and spend less of their income than their counterparts in the West. That contributed to the global imbalances that are one cause of the current world recession: U.S. consumers went deep into debt to finance consumption while Asians socked away money and relied on exports to Western consumers.





Social-welfare programs are one way of addressing those imbalances. The idea is that if Asian consumers have more confidence in their governments to take care of them in times of trouble, they will be more willing to spend today, igniting new demand for consumer goods and leaving the world economy less dependent on Western shoppers.
China recently said it will invest $120 billion to improve health care by building clinics and extending basic medical coverage to 90% of its 1.3 billion people within three years.
Well, that oughta fix them. Pile on the government spending and encourage people to stop saving and start shopping.

It's also interesting that in China, a communist country where the state provides all essentials, they have people who don't get medical care. With all the recent talk, one could be forgiven for assuming that lack of universal health coverage was strictly an artifact of capitalism.
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Sam, so what you are saying is that we have a bunch of anonymous Asians on this board. Funny, but Dex and T-Al look pretty Caucasian to me.
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I think anyone who believes that we have a decline in American imperialism can't see 100,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Outside the obvious bits of imperialism, we are running smarter operating procedures. We don't actually need to fly our flags on your land, but we continue to have "advisers" and "foreign aid", and our carriers can be next door within a month of your acting naughty. It's really a much smarter way to run an empire.
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Ahem. They never left the other guy's coastlines.

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