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Old 07-21-2007, 08:53 PM   #21
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I've read and been told that more doctors are moving to sigmoidoscopies for routine checking as there is a much smaller risk of intestinal tearing.

I guess Bush didn't know that
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:40 PM   #22
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What ever happened to 'If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all'
First off, I'm not into political correctness, and I hold firmly to freedom of speech. Therefore, I say pretty much whatever I want to, whenever I take a notion. If someone doesn't want me to refer to them as a dumb*ss, then by golly, they shouldn't act like one! And if they act like one, I'll more than likely refer to them as one!!! Regardless of who it is.....I show no respect of persons....I treat ALL equally....even 'W'.

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Just what do you think is accomplished by dinigrating denigrating the President of the United States?
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..........the comments.......show a total disrespect for the office!
What calmloki said....."The office I respect. What the current holder is doing to the office and to our system of checks and balances I do not respect."

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Personally I think it says more about the person making the comments that the person they are commenting about.
So some people will think I'm an *sshole....BIG DEAL! That's only because they don't know me. If they knew me, they'd KNOW I'm one.....and quite proud of it!!! I come from a long line of them.

And as my signature below states: "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss - That is...and has been......part of my creed for years. It's also to be engraved upon my tombstone when I kick the bucket.

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..........the comments here are some of the worst I have seen.....!
Actually, I thought they've been fairly mild. Especially given the subject matter.

(Disclaimer: This post is not meant 'stir the pot'. However, you asked questions, therefore, I posted my responses to those questions.)
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Yeah, I just thought we were fooling around a little bit.

But then again, 20-something percent of the people still think the guys doing a great job. They're gonna take offense.

I suppose the offense-takers should avoid any late night talk show, anything on comedy central, and pretty much all of the newspapers.

The dude is an embarrassment to the office and title. Pure and simple.

Respect is earned, not donated to the needy.
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IMHO it is impossible to denigrate one that holds the office and not denigrate the office. While I personally believe Clinton and Carter were two of the worst presidents, Clinton, because his word could not be trusted, and Carter because it penchant for micromanagement often led to wrong or no decisions. Stating why you dislike someone is far different from what as best could be described as bathroom humor. Calmloki’s points out why he dislikes the current President in his statement “What the current holder is doing to the office and to our system of checks and balances I do not respect.” His first post however is blatantly disrespectful and disrespect both the office and the office holder. I guess I expected more, from the folks at this board.
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I expected more from the guy I voted for.
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I expected more from the guy I voted for.
Me too, but after two terms as Texas governor it wasn't much. Unfortunately, I got even less. It is a sad commentary for the dems that they found the two losers that Bush II could beat.

"Rising to the Challenge" is a frequent theme in how presidents are evaluated. The unbelieveable level of outright hatred expressed towards Bush II is higher than anything I've ever seen in my lifetime. Historically, I have to go back to Lincoln to find anything close to this level. I will say that Lincoln got slammed far harder but that's pretty much forgetten by the general public.

For better or worse, Bush II will be remembered for the "War on Terror." Only history will say if what is going on now works to the long term interests of the US and ends/weakens the Islamic terrorist element. His successor will also be judged on how they build or tear down whatever exists at the transfer of office.

Forget the small crap. No one will care that he didn't have 347 countries lined up in agreement before deposing Sadam. No one will care that the US didn't go into Dafur. No one will care for anything but the end results.
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I've read and been told that more doctors are moving to sigmoidoscopies for routine checking as there is a much smaller risk of intestinal tearing.

I guess Bush didn't know that
Actually he has pollip growth which gets him into the 5-year cycle and they always remove any new pollips to prevent them as places for cancer to take hold. This can only be done with a colonoscopy.
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His successor will also be judged on how they build or tear down whatever exists at the transfer of office.
His successor will be judged on how he rebuilds the confidence of the American people and especially re-establishes bilateral cooperation in goverment.
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His successor will be judged on how he rebuilds the confidence of the American people and especially re-establishes bilateral cooperation in goverment.
The new guy will certainly have his work cut out for him! It'll almost be like trying to raise the Titanic from the abyss. However, most people will probably be so relieved to have someone new in office, that they'll likely support him out of the sheer joy of thinking that he can't be any worse than George.
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Actually he has pollip growth which gets him into the 5-year cycle and they always remove any new pollips to prevent them as places for cancer to take hold. This can only be done with a colonoscopy.
Gotcha. Shame on me for not reading the story. I didn't realize he was getting growths removed up in there.
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IMHO it is impossible to denigrate one that holds the office and not denigrate the office. While I personally believe Clinton and Carter were two of the worst presidents, Clinton, because his word could not be trusted, and Carter because it penchant for micromanagement often led to wrong or no decisions. Stating why you dislike someone is far different from what as best could be described as bathroom humor. Calmloki’s points out why he dislikes the current President in his statement “What the current holder is doing to the office and to our system of checks and balances I do not respect.” His first post however is blatantly disrespectful and disrespect both the office and the office holder. I guess I expected more, from the folks at this board.

It's still America, you are still entitled to your opinion. Let's hope that America remains a country where one can express oneself for a long long time.
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It'll be interesting to see how Bush is painted in the history books in 50, 100, 500 years. It very well could be that:

1. He'll be forgotten

2. He'll be remembered as the man that had the courage to wage a war to secure resources for America while they were still attainable

3. He'll be remembered as the man that presided when America tipped on it's transition from democracy to fascist empire

4. None of the above, fill in the blank here.
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I didn't realize he was getting growths removed up in there.
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His successor will be judged on how he rebuilds the confidence of the American people and especially re-establishes bilateral cooperation in goverment.
From a historical perspective, no one cares.

These are irrelevant a few months after the next US election. If the dems hold Congress, a new repub prez will be as "irresponsibe" and "incompetent" as Bush II -- per dem talking points. If there is a dem prez with a dem Congress, I'm sure we'll see the "dawning of a new day" -- at least until reality hits. I could go on with the other possible repub/dem arrangements but you probably get my point.


BTW -- I can start a thread on the incompetent, impotent Canadian governments since WWII but it really wouldn't be worth bringing up. I also generally consider it to be in bad taste to trash another persons government.
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It'll be interesting to see how Bush is painted in the history books in 50, 100, 500 years. It very well could be that:

1. He'll be forgotten

2. He'll be remembered as the man that had the courage to wage a war to secure resources for America while they were still attainable

3. He'll be remembered as the man that presided when America tipped on it's transition from democracy to fascist empire

4. None of the above, fill in the blank here.
There's many other options but that's history. You just have to see what it all looks like a lifetime or more later.

In 1863, you would have been hard pressed to find a meaningful group of people that would have agreed that Lincoln would someday be considered one of the greatest presidents.

Nixon is becoming remarkably rehabilitated but still pretty low on the list. There are other examples but it would just start a pointless round of stuff. The key point for Bush II is how the whole "War on Terror" develops and that includes the decade or two after he leaves office.
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Truman library and museum isn't too far from here - Korean war wasn't high on the hit parade at the time.

I liked old Harry. When I was little - I liked Ike also but my Dad being a Democratic warder said dat's a no no. After the election maybe - but don't sing the jingle till much later.

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Another generic comment on our polical life.

The dems have decided that all repubs are "stupid." It started with Gerald Ford and has grown since. Dan Quayle was intellectually brilliant by our "normal" measures but was pounded incessantly with the "stupid label." The silly potato/potatoe BS just fed into it. Bush II is now the happy successor of the relentless attacks.

The "stupid" charges are obviously not true. Anyone that leverages their way through the political landscape for decades can not be "stupid" as we would normally define it. Bush II's grades were decent (better than Kerry's) but somehow the direct attacks without any basis or evidence continue.

Why can't people disagree with his policies without defaulting to a meaningless personal attack?
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Another generic comment on our polical life.
Why can't people disagree with his policies without defaulting to a meaningless personal attack?
You are perhaps referring to Libertarians. But why would anyone vote for a third party? We already have two wonderful choices. What more could we possibly want?
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Why can't people disagree with his policies without defaulting to a meaningless personal attack?

In my case, it is because I can't understand how anyone could have possibly made so many blunders and still be considered a rational person. And I have had trouble with everyone I've been aquainted with in the past six years who supports or supported this man. I have lost more than a few friends over this.

I still don't understand what happened. Somehow this country allowed the actions of a few extremists with box cutters and the resultant continued inexplicable actions the Bush White House, and a total collapse of the press, to do what the British, Japan, and Germany failed to do. There is no way I will ever believe that this man lived up to the challenges of the office.
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