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Old 02-02-2007, 01:09 AM   #61
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Re: Anyone at the march at the Capitol?

It's interesting that the same people who don't think it appropriate to spend time placing blame for the current Iraq mess also still blame Jane Fonda for treason during Vietnam.
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Re: Anyone at the march at the Capitol?
Old 02-02-2007, 07:24 AM   #62
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Biggest difference: The Vietnam conflict is over. The Iraqi conflict continues, and we need to get the next step right. Screeching on about who is to blame appears to me to be a strategy by some to walk away from te probem: "Hey, I'm not responsible for this, you fix it. I won't tell you how, but you can't send more troops. Voters--look at this, I'm not responsible for the mess."

Ever been on a roadtrip with a friend and made a wrong turn? What's more useful:
a: "I never thought this trip was a good idea, I don't know why you wanted to go! I agreed to it, but never really thought it was a good idea. I even told you to turn at the bridge, but, Noooo! You went straight! You are an idiot."
b: "Lets get out the map and figure things out."
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Talking heads on TV last night were discussing the "tooth" and "tail" aspects of Bush's proposed surge. Apparently it is not clear at this point whether Bush is talking about 1) 20K combat troops, plus a big support contingent; 2) 20K total - so a much smaller (and less impactful) "tooth" contingent; 3) 20K combat with no additional support than is already in theater (kinda a repeat of past mistakes); or 4) they haven't actually thought the support part out and will deal with it later (also a repeat of past mistakes).

And we shouldn't talk blame?
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Taking neighborhoods/territory and holding it (that's the basis of the plan) is an improvement over what we've been doing (but it requires more troops--that's why more are going.).
holding it from whom??

it's not ours to hold. The latest report that came out today says that Iraqi to Iraqi violence is the largest cause, not from Al Quaida. So how are you going to stop the violence? Move everyone out of the neighborhood? Ethnically cleanse the neighborhood? Line everyone up and assign Shia to this sector and Sunni to that?

This is not a military problem and it will not be solved militarily, IMO.
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The bloodbath will likely occur
Estimates range from 50,000 to 100,000 in terms of Iraqi civilian deaths

CIA says the country compares to 2x's the size of Idaho and 40% of their population is under age of 14...so given that statistic, a great number of deaths had to be children.

Imagine if 25,000 people in Idaho had been killed because the canadians went nuts and "thought" we were threatening them...

think the bloodbath has already happened...
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:37 PM   #66
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Ever been on a roadtrip with a friend and made a wrong turn? What's more useful:
I see it as if you went with on a roadtrip with a family member. You thought everyone agreed to go to Disneyworld but the family member (not friend) is driving in the opposite direction. As you notice that you are now in Kentucky, you start inquiring about Disneyworld, the driver says that their understanding is that everyone wanted to go to Betty's big ball of earwax, somewhere in the mid-west. Said family member (which could be my sister for the sake of argument) insists on continuing to drive West no matter what everyone said about Disneyworld being in a different direction.
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. . . everyone wanted to go to Betty's big ball of earwax, somewhere in the mid-west. . .
I think that's located in Shueyville, Iowa.
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I think that's located in Shueyville, Iowa.
Near "Kayak Emporium"
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Near "Kayak Emporium"
You know my sister and her sightseeing tastes then.
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Estimates range from 50,000 to 100,000 in terms of Iraqi civilian deaths

CIA says the country compares to 2x's the size of Idaho and 40% of their population is under age of 14...so given that statistic, a great number of deaths had to be children.

Imagine if 25,000 people in Idaho had been killed because the canadians went nuts and "thought" we were threatening them...

think the bloodbath has already happened...
I heard an NPR program on the Johns Hopkins (IIRC) study (initially disparaged but later rehabilitated) that indicated the civilian deaths to date could be much higher than even that.
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I heard an NPR program on the Johns Hopkins (IIRC) study (initially disparaged but later rehabilitated) that indicated the civilian deaths to date could be much higher than even that.
I wonder how these six-digit numbers compare to the achievements of the previous regime...
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I wonder how these six-digit numbers compare to the achievements of the previous regime...
you kidding--Bush is way ahead of Clinton in the "innocent civilian killing contest"
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Colon Powell, if you break it you bought it.

Uh Bush Broke it.

We own this mess.

Now I still think someone has to lose. We will not lose, except soldiers, because we have to stay there.

We broke it.

What a bright idea those neocons had. Now look at Iran. No buffer.

Then again what will Israel do?

If you were told that we will destroy you what would you do?

I don 't like what I see. The world has spun out of control, AGAIN.
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I wonder how these six-digit numbers compare to the achievements of the previous regime...
Careful...last time I pointed out that we may have not only killed more people than saddam did but that the ones saddam killed were probably doing SOMETHING wrong (at least in his eyes), I was labeled a baby killer.

I was also advised that our smart bombs are way too smart to kill regular people.
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you kidding--Bush is way ahead of Clinton in the "innocent civilian killing contest"
Well, Clinton has been accused of killing over a million people because he maintained sanctions. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions for starters.

As speaking of smart weapons, my Uncle worked on the Tomahawk program. At one point, it was showing a distressing tendency to go after sheep. (It would not pick up hills and would run into them).
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I told them it was a mistake to use the logic imprints from Farmer Bob's brain in those missiles...
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I was also advised that our smart bombs are way too smart to kill regular people.
Sure, as long as you're equipped with your govt-supplied subcutaneous RFID tag, there's nothing to worry about!

Er, you are wearing yours, right? Step a couple feet to your left, will you? Oh, right, there you are. OK. Just be careful with that loofah...
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Nah, I just live next to an AFB. I imagine they spend more time trying not to shoot themselves.

Perhaps an unwise decision.

The implication I was taking that from had to do with our use of the "smart" weaponry to surgically kill almost exclusively the Iraqi military and not their citizens.

Sort of an interesting line of thinking since we probably did more damage dropping 500lb "aid" packages on peoples homes. Funny one was the guy whose house was destroyed by a huge container of pop-tarts...who then fed them to his goats (or whatever) because he didnt care for them.

By the way, if you want some really varied and interesting stories, google "iraq house pop tarts".
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The implication I was taking that from had to do with our use of the "smart" weaponry to surgically kill almost exclusively the Iraqi military and not their citizens.

in this conflict the US is not going after Iraqi military, just trying to get the Iraqi military from running away w/ their hands in the air saying "are you kidding me? i'm not stupid, see ya later!"

- but civilian clad "insurgents" who are indistinguishable from regular folk...so whenever the news says X# insurgents were killed today - i wonder how they have any idea...
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- but civilian clad "insurgents" who are indistinguishable from regular folk...so whenever the news says X# insurgents were killed today - i wonder how they have any idea...
I remember the body counts from Vietnam. My understanding was that if it was a body, they would count it.
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