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Old 10-13-2010, 06:50 PM   #41
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A truly inspiring story.
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It is a joy to see the happy faces of the bystanders, and especially the brave and lovely women who have been waiting- and for a long time, not even knowing whether the miners were dead or alive.
Yes.

Raul Enriquez Bustos Ibanez's wife seemed pretty relaxed.
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So - did anyone wonder about the Chilean flag which is so very close to the Texas flag?

It is also known as "the Lone Star" - "La Estrella Solitaria" and became the official Chile flag in 1817, 22 years before the Texas Flag was designed and adopted in 1839.

Just thought it was interesting trivia.
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So - did anyone wonder about the Chilean flag which is so very close to the Texas flag?

It is also known as "the Lone Star" - "La Estrella Solitaria" and became the official Chile flag in 1817, 22 years before the Texas Flag was designed and adopted in 1839.

Just thought it was interesting trivia.
Yep, it's very close...

Texas county ballots have flag of Chile, not Texas
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This could be the pilot for an ongoing reality show. I wonder how much they'd have to pay those guys to back down for another round?
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Yeah - it's hilarious! I had to correct my husband, who is a Texas native, and last night asked me "Why are they flying the TX flag?" I pointed out how it wasn't quite identical.



Texan ballot papers sent out with flag of Chile - Telegraph
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Less than 24 hours, all 33 miners rescued! Now just need for the rescuers to rescue themselves!
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I feel so relieved..and I don't even know these guys. This is really a happy occasion and one I'm celebrating with a Margharita! They really were exemplary in the way they stayed calm and organized down in that mine while trapped.
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Can someone help me? I just saw the first rescuer start his ascent- how many are there total?

It's almost 10:30 pm down there, God willing everyone will be safe in few more hours- just a little over 24 hours total.

A real triumph.

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Super impressive in every weay. THE miners are amazingly strong, and the governemnt and I suppose teh mining company did a great job of constructing and operating a very simple but apparently effective system of escape.

Does anyone know if the ascent is made in darkness, or is there a small light in the capsule?

I wonder if these guys will be able to head back down in the future.

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We can't lose sight of the fact that these men are tough men from a very different culture than the US. They are used to living in small spaces and sharing their lives as part of a communal society with each other. I just don't see Americans being able to handle this type of isolation as well as these men handled it. They are less likely to have PTS than someone from this culture. They will go right back to their lives and wouldn't need psychiatrist and anti depressants for the rest of their lives. It just the way people in most of the world handle crisis.
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I didn't see them sending another rescuer down, so I think it's only 5 rescuers, and I think the first is coming up the shaft now.

CNN says it's 6 rescuers down there. The first started coming up 9:20 ET, so he should be up now?
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We can't lose sight of the fact that these men are tough men from a very different culture than the US. They are used to living in small spaces and sharing their lives as part of a communal society with each other. I just don't see Americans being able to handle this type of isolation as well as these men handled it. They are less likely to have PTS than someone from this culture. They will go right back to their lives and wouldn't need psychiatrist and anti depressants for the rest of their lives. It just the way people in most of the world handle crisis.
Yes, most of the trapped miners were experienced miners. One had even been trapped in a mine and rescued 3 times before!

But one was brand new to mining - a mechanic, and that day of the disaster was the first time he had ever been in a mine. Another (or a pair of brothers?) have only worked for the mine for 4 months - 70 days of which were trapped in the mine. Someone else was fairly new too - and had come from a different business. So they weren't all hardened veterans.

I think individual people vary widely enough, even within a given culture, that you can't make assumptions about what people can handle or not.

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Can someone help me? I just saw the first rescuer start his ascent- how many are there total?

It's almost 10:30 pm down there, God willing everyone will be safe in few more hours- just a little over 24 hours total.

A real triumph.

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2 of 6 rescuers up Ha, capsule down to get the next one.

Oh look - CNN blog caught up with me LOL! http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/13...-half-rescues/

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I didn't see them sending another rescuer down, so I think it's only 5 rescuers, and I think the first is coming up the shaft now.

CNN says it's 6 rescuers down there. The first started coming up 9:20 ET, so he should be up now?
I saw him get out. Yahoo!

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It's a truly inspiring story. And I thought El Presidente handled it well. When they breached the shaft he gave a morale boosting speech. It was good that he was there to greet the miners.

Apparently a Chilean gazillionaire is giving each miner about $10K, or one year's wages, and the miners already have a strategy worked out to make the most of their new celebrity. They had a lot of time to plan down there. Probably none of them will ever need to mine again.
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And I thought El Presidente handled it well. When they breached the shaft he gave a morale boosting speech. It was good that he was there to greet the miners.
Not to throw cold water on what is an absolutely wonderful outcome, but I heard El Presidente was in hot water with his Chilean constituents over how he handled the earthquake situation. He supposedly saw this as a once in a lifetime PR opportunity and orchestrated placing himself center stage for the rescue operation.

Have you noticed every camera and all the coverage (other than from vantage points several hundred yards away) is from Chilean govt TV?

He's definitely a politician...
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I agree, it was definitely a political stump speech opportunity! And he took full advantage. But it was also important to be there representing the country in welcoming back each rescued miner and thanking the rescuers. Such is the privilege of head of state.

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We can't lose sight of the fact that these men are tough men from a very different culture than the US. They are used to living in small spaces and sharing their lives as part of a communal society with each other. I just don't see Americans being able to handle this type of isolation as well as these men handled it. They are less likely to have PTS than someone from this culture. They will go right back to their lives and wouldn't need psychiatrist and anti depressants for the rest of their lives. It just the way people in most of the world handle crisis.
With all due respect, I would invite you to speak with any of the crew of my former US Navy ballistic missile submarine. We went underwater on strategic deterrent patrol for 67 days at a time. 120 men in a tube 33 ft in diameter and 380 feet long, also filled with a nuclear reactor, 16 giant missiles and a boat load of various machinery and electronics. That's 67 days under hundreds of feet of water with no sunlight, no fresh food, no calls, no letters, no contact with the outside world. For a pack of Americans, I think we managed fairly well.

That said, there were three major differences between us and the miners. We were all there voluntarily, we knew how long we would be there, and the means of our egress were under our own control. That, of course, makes a world of difference.
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And the rescue took only two months instead of the original four expected. Kudos to the above ground engineers, too.

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...The trapped workers will likely not see the light of day until Christmas. Drilling a hole large enough to allow the miners to be hauled out one by one will prove a challenging feat and require equipment not currently at the site. "A shaft 66 centimeters (26 inches) in diameter will take at least 120 days," said Andres Sougarret, the engineer in charge of the operation.
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