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Old 10-22-2006, 01:34 PM   #41
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I, too, found that cutting way back on alcohol lowered my BP. Also, cutting out caffeine helped. From 130/80 down to 118/70.

Razztazz, I'm sorry to hear that statins ruined your health. I was not aware that the drugs had any serious side effects. If you wouldn't mind telling us, I would like to know how the drug affected you.
I think it dissolves your muscles.
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Re: Anyone On Lipitor?
Old 10-22-2006, 02:14 PM   #42
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Re: Anyone On Lipitor?

I tried two statins on the advice of my doctor but experienced extreme muscle pain and discontinued within a month of both. He then prescribed and non-statin drug called Welchol which has worked wonderfully. Statins are supposed to have other benefits besides lowering cholesterol related to diabetes I believe.
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Old 10-22-2006, 03:03 PM   #43
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That is the problem with balancing risks. You might be that person who is in the .5% who has the bad side effect. I am sorry it was you. But what can you do? I try to follow instructions, get my blood tested every 6 months, and read about the drugs I take and be mindful of side effects. I also take inhaled steroids for asthma. That can impair your ability to heal after surgery. My sister also takes steroids for asthma. She had surgery and it took her more than a year to heal as a result. But the benefit of the steroids simply outweigh the risks.

There are some drugs I would not be ever inclined to take. For example, I see advertised a drug to treat toenail fungus. I don't have toenail fungus, but if I did, I wouldn't take the drug. Not enough benefts to outweigh the risk. You don't die from toenail fungus. You can die from liver failure.
You are missing the whole concept of risk. WHAT is the RISK? Cholesterol over XXX? So that requires some kind of treratment? What's the risk? And whats the risk of taking the drug? .5%? Whell we all know or should know it's way more than THAT but that's the published number. But in YOUR CASE it might be 100% and the risk of heart attack is 0% . And what's the downside no matter what the statistical risk is? Well the downside is catastrophic. What to roll that dice on the "risk" of a heart attack? What'sthe risk of HA in YOUR CASE? Not the study thst keeps changing numbers. Not the composit statistical average. YOUR case?

Recently they pulled a drug used to control symptoms of MS due to the fact it was killing people. Even the doctor who was involved in the creation of thsi drug recommnded it get pulled and said he would nto prscribe it to anyone. He said it was because while MS is certainly a bad disease it's not like cancer where the risk of the drugs ouwteigh the risks or inconveniences of eh diease. Cholesterol is the same way. Not proven to be a medical threat (Thats why they call it teh Lipid Hypothosis. They don't KNOW sht) Doesnt intefere with your life. Any lowering of cholesterol levels is negligable at best vis a vis longevity but the risk of the drugs is well known and often intractable. and they will never ever tell you you won;t have a heart attack or get hear diseas with the drug or that you will get it without the drug. So, just why would anybody take the drugs?

My biggest risk was "doing the right thing" and listening to my doctor who appaetly watches too much tV and doenst read the medical literature and can't understand simple statistics.

THis isn't dice or poker where you count cards and asses risk that way. And btw I cannot and YOU cannot assess that risk. Youre paying Dr Welby for that. So he better be right.
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Old 10-22-2006, 03:16 PM   #44
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Razztazz, I'm sorry to hear that statins ruined your health. I was not aware that the drugs had any serious side effects. If you wouldn't mind telling us, I would like to know how the drug affected you.
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I think it dissolves your muscles.
The adverse reactions are many and varied and apparently easilly waved off by the doctor as "youre just getting older" or cancer or lots of things. Far far more than simply dissolving, as it were, muscles They can pimp all kinds of money out of you this way.

I wasn't in the .5%. I was in the 100%

As far as enumeration, I don't really want to go into too much detail (I think I did tho on another thread a while ago. ) A lot of the problem wasn tso much the reactions.. it was the chronic misdiagnoses that allowed the liptor to continue longer than it should have. Permanent polyneuropathy, brain lesions which themselves cause collateral problmes related to metabolic functioning which is another list including heart regulatory problmes. But they insisted I had a blocked aorta . TWO bloood flow studies showd NO blood flow problmes but Dr Dingnuts was pissing his pants over cholesterol of 235 and insisting my aorta was blocked at the age of 43! Vascular surgeon ready to puit a stent in my aorta anyway but said might not releive symptoms. (SO, why would I wnat to do this) Lumps and bumps pop up OH CANCER! Wasn't cancer but him and the surgeon made a few boat payments I guess. Started receding as soon as I unilaterally taking Pimpitor. When iw as experiencing many of those adverse reactions and told him, all he could say was I needed to keep taking it and bear with the side effects for life because of my "risk" of heart diease. He never could tell me what the number was. And this F wad came highly recommnded. I should have picked a mundane dr with a C average

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I was able to control cholesterol with diet but my triglycerides were 3x the high range and I could find nothing to control it. Lipitor has gotten it below the high end of the range and made my cholesterol extremely low. The depletion of COQ10 does not appear to be an issue (no muscle cramps).
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I wpuld recommnd jsut reading the list of adverse reactions and then assuming the rate of occurence is much higher than stated. Then ask yourself if you'd want to have any of those things happen to you. Then ask how the dr really knows you need to lower your cholesterol? Risk of Heart attack? What's the frequency Kenneth?
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You are missing the whole concept of risk. WHAT is the RISK?
Oh I don't think so. The risk is the same thing happens to me as happened to you. Nevertheless, I am willing to take that risk.
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I guess that this is getting a bit off topic...but I had a heck of time getting a medical diagnosis a few years back....I had a condition that affected my whole system....and the local and regional doctors gave a cocktail of 3 or 4 drugs and the funny thing was that drug 4 ended up causing what drug 1 was supposed to be preventing (only found that out after hitting the mayo clinic)....before that I ended up in the emergency room twice with heart palpitations and extreme nausea from the drug...

I am not aware of anybody tracking or reporting the problem with the drug, either after the fact.....I think Razz has a good point on being skeptical of your doctors and drugs...Also, I thought there was a big deal made after the Vioxx problem that FDA wasnt doing enough study of drugs once they hit the market.....that should give some pause....another reason for more consumer directed health care
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