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Old 11-28-2013, 06:27 PM   #41
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The Roku unit I tried insisted on me giving it personal info (email address and credit card) before Roku would allow the unit to be activated. I returned it for a Sony brand streaming box that has no such requirements. Another thing I like about the Sony is it always automatically sets the correct aspect ratio of Netflix content: no more very wide or very skinny people!
Great Product... ultimate stupidity in marketing.
No, you don't need a credit card, but it requires a call or email to customer service to activate. . or sign on with a CC (or pay pal)... and go to method of payment... to remove card.
sheer nonsense
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:48 PM   #42
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I have Apple TV but also have a cable pkg that I just signed up for.

I don't have Netflix though I may get it for the high quality original programming they're getting.

I have a new tivo Roamio.

I use Apple TV for photo slide shows. I can put up YouTube, though my tivo gets YouTube as well. Main advantage is it's easier to search YouTube on iPad and then send the streams to Apple TV, rather than input letters via the Apple TV or tivo remotes.

ABC and nbc have iPad apps to stream their shows. I believe these apps will allow Airplay so you could view on big screen. HBO Go app. Also does, though Apple TV also has HBO Go.

iPad seems to have apps for just about every network, though not all of them support Airplay.
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Old 11-28-2013, 07:26 PM   #43
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I have both a Roku and Apple TV. I bought a Roku 1 last week.

I've been waiting for Apple to do something more with the Apple TV, preferably open it up to 3rd party developers. After the last round of Apple announcements with no Apple TV updates and figuring out that there's a PBS channel available on the Roku, I decided to go that route instead of waiting. A couple of days later Apple announced that they are adding a PBS channel to the Apple TV. Go figure.

I don't regret the purchase of the Roku though. In addition to Netflix/PBS, I get Amazon Instant Video (we have Amazon Prime), which is a nice addition. I also like the option of being able to rent movies through Amazon instead of iTunes, since overall I feel like there are better deals available.

I also run a Windows Media Center PC and using the Plex channel on the Roku, we can get to content on that PC. I was hoping that I could somehow use it to view recorded OTA content on the Media Center PC, but it's in a different video format and transcoding it to something the Roku/Plex support isn't practical.

I'm really big on simplifying our TV watching in our house. I've been running the Windows Media Center PC for over 8 years and it's worked well, but we have these old Linksys extenders that connect to it and one of the tuners has issues sometimes. I realized that we don't really watch any live content - most of it's been recorded for watching later. For the most part, you can get this through other services, but we don't have Hulu and I'm not sure if I want to subscribe. Plus, my wife watches the evening news in the morning. That's one item that I need to record OTA. I'd really prefer to have one device and be able to get to all of our content from that device, but I'm not quite sure I can make it work with what's current available.

Either Roku or Apple TV are good products. If you already have other Apple products and don't care about Amazon, then that's a good way to go. I've used Airplay numerous times and it works well. But if you're not invested in Apple products, you'll probably be just as happy with a Roku and you'll also save a few $$s.

Btw, when I enabled the Roku, I didn't have to enter credit card information. Maybe that's because we have a Roku from a few generations ago and we already had an account? I didn't give them my credit card info back then either.
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Old 11-28-2013, 07:35 PM   #44
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Also, regarding OTA. I've been eyeing the following product:
Newegg.com - SiliconDust HDHomeRun Transcoding-Two Digital Tuners, Anywhere on Your Network HDTC-2US

This is a dual tuner unit that transcodes OTA video to h.264 (all in hardware). It hasn't been released yet and I'm not sure I want to spend the money, but it might be an option for capturing OTA content for viewing later.

I'm curious if I could integrate this with my existing Media Center PC and then use the Plex channel on the Roku to watch the content. There's really not much info on how this device works, but I suspect that you could use this with any PC to capture video for viewing later.

And if you choose the Apple TV instead, I wonder if you could use the computer channel to get to the content from the PC/Mac?

All of this is making me think I might order one and try it out...
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Also, regarding OTA. I've been eyeing the following product:
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And if you choose the Apple TV instead, I wonder if you could use the computer channel to get to the content from the PC/Mac?
Yes, you can mirror whatever you put on your Mac to the AppleTV.

So for instance, if you play a video file in VLC and put it full screen, it's suppose to get that on the AppleTV.

That is with a newer Mac, probably one released within the past couple of years and 10.8.x.

There are also free VLC apps for the iOS devices, so you can control playback from another room.

I am not sure if AirPlay is directly supported from Windows, though you are suppose to be able to stream iTunes videos, including from iTunes for Windows, to the AppleTV.

Looks like there may be workarounds for streaming to AppleTV from older Macs and Windows PCs:

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=airplay+mirroring+wi ndows&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:23 PM   #46
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Yes, you can mirror whatever you put on your Mac to the AppleTV.
I've used this a few times, but in our configuration it would be a deal breaker. I want all content to be available from the Apple TV or Roku. I don't want to go to the Mac and start playing the content and then have it displayed on the Apple TV. Too many extra steps. Call me lazy.
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You can get remote apps. Or import the videos into iTunes, which might require transcoding with Handbrake.
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.... Plus, my wife watches the evening news in the morning. That's one item that I need to record OTA. I'd really prefer to have one device and be able to get to all of our content from that device, but I'm not quite sure I can make it work with what's current available.
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We watch the news in the evening on our Roku3 - no issue. Scott Pelly, Brian Williams, etc.
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We are considering some of these alternatives to cable when we move next summer. Which services, if any, offer the network programming? We would miss some of our shows in the evening if not available....
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We have 2 Vizio smart T.V.'s that come Wifi ready and I love them. They are really no brainers to use. We subscribe to Netflix and Amazon Prime which is almost all I watch. We also have Cable because dh is a huge football fan. If and when we can watch football on the internet Cable is history.
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We're in the period of transition for all electronic products, and in home entertainment. With literally thousands of companies vying for market share, viewing hours, hardware costs, access costs, and business connection to the consumer through advertising... it's a huge battle in the public arena.

New, start up players coming on, hoping to find winners, and older technologies struggling to change acceptance into profitablilty, and the consumer in the middle, with no one able to absorb the variables to make a balanced decision.

It's not just hardware, or content choice, or a right and wrong way... but a learnng curve that might take a few years to shake out. As network and wired content providers give way to all-streaming... the inevitable, the driving force will come from the legal restrictions set by government for bandwidth.

I believe we're watching the slow death of OTA AND wired network/channel content. with a totally new paradigm in the way.

Fortunately, the transitional costs seem to be nominal, and the public will very slowly become aware of the emerging concept as it occurs. (kind of like trying to introduce the concept of computers to a lost tribe in the Amazon.) Even now, how many people understand what H.264 means?... even though this may be a major choice option.

Heck... I'm still trying to find out what "Plex" is all about.

The idea of "throwing" content to a TV screen... takes a little bit of getting used to. Currently, it may take as many as four remote controls to access content. The all in one package does not yet exist... and programmable remotes require much work, and a good memory to use.

In my own case, the more I understand, the less I know about what's happening. Rest assured, the coming several years will be exciting, and 5 or 6 years from now, everyone will wonder what the whole kerfluffle was all about.

Then, I'll be able to buy your 70 inch, top of the line, flatscreen TV for $25 at my local resale shop.

Hey! coping with all this stuff at my age, ain't easy.
As my mom usta say "When you get to be MY age, you'll understand.
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Rest assured, the coming several years will be exciting, and 5 or 6 years from now, everyone will wonder what the whole kerfluffle was all about.
I don't doubt your assessment of how this will play out, I just hope it all happens in the time frame you suggest. It appears the networks learned from the music industry experience, real time and streaming internet TV could have easily been done years ago technically, not sure what disruption will be necessary to make it really happen. We are going to have to pay for it one way or another, whether thru ads, subscriptions and/or paygo revenues - the content and infrastructure won't be free. Presumably the decline in cable and satellite subscribers and their subsequent retaliatory price increases will accelerate and "cord cutters" force the issue...

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Are Americans Abandoning Their Televisions? | Alternet

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Media analysts Craig Moffet and Michael Nathanson note that television, broadband and phone communications firms lost 687,000 subscribers during the third quarter of 2013, with the “pay-TV industry [reporting] its worst 12-month stretch ever.” During that same quarter, Time Warner Cable lost 306,000 TV subscribers.

Young people in particular are tuning out. Nielson data shows that among the 18-24 group, viewers watched an average of 21-and-a-half hours of TV a week during the second quarter of 2013, one hour less than the same quarter during 2012. When you compare it to the second quarter of 2011, it's actually a decrease of 11 percent.

This trend has been denied by some in the industry. Viacom CEO Philippe Dauman told CNBC earlier this year that he doesn't “think cord cutting is a threat...Even during the depths of the recession, cable TV subscribers remained stable.” But this isn't entirely true. The number of cable TV-only subscribers has fallen from over 44 million in the first quarter of 2010 to just over 40 million in the third quarter of 2013.

Bruce Leichtman, the president of Leichtman Research, explained the decrease in television consumers this way, pointing to television alternatives: “First-time ever annual industry-wide losses reflect a combination of a saturated market, an increased focus from providers on acquiring higher-value subscribers, and some consumers opting for a lower-cost mixture of over-the-air TV, Netflix and other over-the-top viewing options.”
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Makes sense. When I was a kid back in the '70s we spent a lot of our spare time watching TV (when we weren't outside playing, which kids used to do). These days they are more likely glued to their smartphones, tablets or computer.
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Cable companies make their money from Internet, not TV, supposedly.

If you don't subscribe to a TV package though, they charge you more for Internet.
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If you've not tried it .... "Playon" allows streaming from your PC to your Roku (or other device) which, in turn, allows access to pretty much any internet based video. I've been using it for a couple years now and it works well. It's inexpensive and, what's kind of cool about it, is that you can access it from your laptop or ipad (or android) even when away from home.

It's available at www.playon.tv and, as I say, works well .... Just another option.
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If something like Apple TV or a Roku box had a good, integrated OTA tuner and DVR, I'd be all over it.
There maybe hope.

I have ordered simple.tv by silicon dust. This device is supposed to feed OTA signals into a ROKU channel. It also has 2 tuners and a DVR. Find it on pre-order special on newegg.com

Also, I just ordered my 3rd Roku (ROKU 3) as they are on sale. ROKU + Netflix is a pretty good setup.
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Cable companies make their money from Internet, not TV, supposedly.

If you don't subscribe to a TV package though, they charge you more for Internet.
I had thought about getting a higher speed internet but don't want a TV package (happy with just OTA). However, I just couldn't justify the higher internet price over my basic DSL with a stable price, so I took no action
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There maybe hope.

I have ordered simple.tv by silicon dust. This device is supposed to feed OTA signals into a ROKU channel. It also has 2 tuners and a DVR. Find it on pre-order special on newegg.com

Also, I just ordered my 3rd Roku (ROKU 3) as they are on sale. ROKU + Netflix is a pretty good setup.
Looks like Simple TV is really a DVR for OTA .... still needs an antenna and/or cable .... but does stream those recorded shows thru either the Roku or through an iPad/Android.
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There maybe hope.

I have ordered simple.tv by silicon dust. This device is supposed to feed OTA signals into a ROKU channel. It also has 2 tuners and a DVR. Find it on pre-order special on newegg.com

Also, I just ordered my 3rd Roku (ROKU 3) as they are on sale. ROKU + Netflix is a pretty good setup.
I've been following simple.tv. I like the concept, but they seem to be having massive start-up issues. It gets pretty ugly here:

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Maybe the collaboration with silicondust will help (their first gen was w/o silicondust).

Let us know how it goes, I don't watch much TV, but I'd prefer being able to record and watch on my schedule, and to pause live TV. We already have a couple older Roku boxes and Netflix.

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