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Old 11-02-2015, 03:31 AM   #41
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Clever, but how do you distinguish an anecdote from one data point?

People present anecdotes as conclusive here all the time, giving 'you should retire early because "I" know someone who died young' as a reason to retire early is abused here often...
Maybe I misread those, the people giving retirement reasons usually give them in context why it motivated them. Whether that's statistical relevant in some way is not really in play. It is relevant for that particular individual.

To go from anecdotes to data (and draw broad conclusions) you'll need a decent random sample and double-blind trials, with filtering out effects. Anecdotes can give you a clue which hypothesis to test, but not the test itself.

Haven't read the paper, but a rather small 2 point difference means any individual observation gets lost in the noise. IQs can easily differ 30 points between healthy siblings. Makes me wonder though if it's genetics (second and later children have older mothers on average) or nurture.

It was more surprising to me that temperament shows no ranking order bias, another finding cited in articles covering that study.

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Old 11-02-2015, 05:06 AM   #42
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In our family I would say my sister (the youngest) takes first place and then me (middle child) and then my brother. But then he is such a jerk it may be hard to tell.


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Old 11-02-2015, 05:26 AM   #43
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I'm the younger of two and have the higher IQ.

What about only children?

IQ is not thought to be a nurture thing anyway.

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Old 11-02-2015, 05:32 AM   #44
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First born here. Mom says yes. DW says I'm an idiot (and reminds me every day).
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Old 11-02-2015, 05:41 AM   #45
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I'm the first born of two first born parents. My DW is also a first born. Our DD (#1) definitely has a higher IQ than DS.
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Old 11-02-2015, 05:41 AM   #46
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First born of my siblings is a sociopath. Always thought he was smarter than anyone else and that rules don't apply to him. I don't know if birth order was a factor.
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Old 11-02-2015, 06:55 AM   #47
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I will throw some fuel on the fire

In my family of 6, there are 2 girls, a boy, 2 more girls and me...My brother is the smartest and I am second.... SOOOO, the males are smarter than the females no matter which order they are in...
After that, it is 3rd sister, then 4th then 2nd.... and 1st is 'last'....

I guess we just do not follow the norm....
Let's throw some more fuel in the fire.

I don't know the history of your family but is it possible that you and your brother were the only ones born in Texas? (or got here asap) That could explain it.
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:16 PM   #48
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My firstborn older sister definitely got better grades in school than I did, but she actually studied while I barely cracked a book. Younger sister was middle-of-the-road. I couldn't say there's much difference in intelligence in any of the three siblings. No geniuses, but no dummies either.

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