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Old 02-05-2013, 05:21 PM   #61
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a booming economy would help the birth rate.
Indeed. Similarly, I saw a suggestion in a Bloomberg article this morning that another 5 to 10% bump in home prices would probably get a lot of inventory flowing into the market because then a lot of sellers would be able to cover their outsized mortgages plus selling costs so that they can get on with their lives.
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I suppose it might be more appropriate to view before and after stats, since there might be just a few differences between France and the US (or so I am told).
I don't know what the timing was for France's implementation of their plan but the statistics I can readily find show very little change since 2000. But I'll readily admit that a statistician I ain't. Thanks for bringing this up though. It's interesting to poke around this website France - Birth rate - Historical Data Graphs per Year
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It's not like our population is actually dropping.

At some point, doesn't the population have to stabilize? If it grows forever, we're going to face serious resource constraints at some point.
Makes sense. Unless we find a way to genetically modify humans to be much smaller and consume much less, population growth has to stabilize eventually. Even just one more doubling of earth's population will stretch resources significantly.
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Agree. I also assume that the financial crisis has caused a significant rise in suicide rates across the US also.
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Agree?

Is the danger a result of not LBYM? or a loss of income in the peak earning years? Since the beginning of time, the economy has always been subject to ups and downs, but it seems that the current uncertainty is causing more stress than usual, with less surety of a solid recovery.

... or something else?
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Makes sense. Unless we find a way to genetically modify humans to be much smaller and consume much less, population growth has to stabilize eventually. Even just one more doubling of earth's population will stretch resources significantly.
Then we had better remake our economy because without population growth it does not work well as is.
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Then we had better remake our economy because without population growth it does not work well as is.
Agreed. I've had that concept in the back of my mind for decades. It's a puzzle to me.

How can an economy with programs that depend on population increases survive in the long term if 2 or 3 more doublings of the population are likely going to overwhelm the available space and resources?

Nothing for me to fret about, I'm 65 yo. But a few generations down the road things will likely get interesting if we're depending on constantly increasing our headcount to keep things rolling.

Perhaps, despite our rapidly evolving technology, nature will step in and provide a "correction."
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Agreed. I've had that concept in the back of my mind for decades. It's a puzzle to me.

How can an economy with programs that depend on population increases survive in the long term if 2 or 3 more doublings of the population are likely going to overwhelm the available space and resources?

Nothing for me to fret about, I'm 65 yo. But a few generations down the road things will likely get interesting if we're depending on constantly increasing our headcount to keep things rolling.

Perhaps, despite our rapidly evolving technology, nature will step in and provide a "correction."
The near term risk is not to biological survival, but to quality of life. Most of us have spent our lives in almost ideal conditions. The people who may overpopulate forward from here are not the same groups that built this very nice world that we are used to. These democratic builders are experiencing sub-zero population growth, wherever they are found.

Is Egypt attractive? Maybe for a tourist staying in the Hilton, but not otherwise.

The world and life very likely continue, maybe even the US. But overall, I am glad my tenancy is the period that it has been and is now.

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This may not be what some people want to hear, but overall world population doesn't need to grow any more. We already risk significant shortages of critical resources, and more people in the world would only make that worse. Think about all the wars in history which have started at least in part over control of resources. We'd be better off solving demographic problems by encouraging targeted immigration for young, educated families, IMO.
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We'd be better off solving demographic problems by encouraging targeted immigration for young, educated families, IMO.
Good luck with that. Dealt with the US gubmint lately? If I were one of these target people I would go to Canuckistan.
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Is Egypt attractive? Maybe for a tourist staying in the Hilton, but not otherwise.
Interesting that you would use Egypt as an example. My son was an exchange student in Egypt about 25 yrs ago. He stayed with the family of an MD. The pics he took and his accounts of his stay indicated that despite being in the home of a doctor and going to a private school, things were no nicer than here in our very blue collar home and neighborhood in the Chicago suburbs. When the Egyptian young man my son was paired with came and stayed with us, he indicated our modest home and cars were nicer than his family's in Egypt but that he had expected to be staying in a mansion since this was "the USA!" Nevertheless, he seemed to survive his stay just fine and was a nice kid.

BTW Ha, I agree with you that our lives have taken place in good times!
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I read this article recently somewhere else and thought of this ER group. I kinda figured that it would eventually post here and we would all have a good time patting ourselves on the back since none of us seem to be in the predicament that most boomers seem to find themselves.

I say good for us. Good for LBYM.
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