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Old 10-18-2009, 02:47 PM   #61
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Good thing no one died because of a shortage of emergency personal. While they were on a wild goose chase.
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:20 PM   #62
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In a restaurant, the terms "bill" and "check" are interchangeable...
In Texas perhaps; but not in Canada.

There's a fundamental difference between a bill (invoice) and a cheque (payment).
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In Texas perhaps; but not in Canada.
Hmm,, interesting. So if I went to a restaurant in Canada and after eating asked the server for the check, they wouldn't know what I meant?
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:33 PM   #64
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They might or might not (depends on how many septic customers they get). You're probably okay in the larger cities.
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:29 PM   #65
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I think they should be arrested for bad acting -- especially the mom.
"The parents, Richard and Mayumi Heene, met in a Hollywood acting school and "put on a very good show for us," Alderden said."

From a cnn.com article 'Balloon boy' incident was hoax, sheriff says - CNN.com

Maybe they didn't make A's.
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Old 10-18-2009, 05:08 PM   #66
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Well you can check just about any English dictionary and one of the meanings for check is a restaurant bill. I do not know what kind of English Canadians speak.
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This is my neck of the woods and I can tell you DAD is in a whole bunch of trouble. I wonder exactly how much he will have to pay through restitution when he is convicted of this hoax!
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Well you can check just about any English dictionary and one of the meanings for check is a restaurant bill. I do not know what kind of English Canadians speak.
The Queen's English, aka 'primary English'.

Per the Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
  • verb 1 examine the accuracy, quality, or condition of. 2 stop or slow the progress of. 3 Chess move a piece or pawn to a square where it directly attacks (the opposing king).
  • noun 1 an examination to check accuracy, quality, or condition. 2 an act of checking progress. 3 a means of control or restraint. 4 Chess an act of checking the opposing king. 5 N. Amer. the bill in a restaurant. 6 (also check mark) North American term for TICK (in sense 1).
So there we go: "check" is primarily a verb, with the fifth alternative meaning as a noun identified as a American (not North American btw: we don't use that meaning in Canada, and I suspect the Mexicans don't either!) as a synonym for restaurant bill.

Americans are free to use words however they wish, but that doesn't make such customs universal practice.
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USA has an article on this and the fine for Dad could be up to $500,000...altho I doubt they sock it to him that badly. What did they do to the Runaway Bride a few years back? She did some community service and had to pay some restitution, but I can't remember what it was now.
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USA has an article on this and the fine for Dad could be up to $500,000...altho I doubt they sock it to him that badly. What did they do to the Runaway Bride a few years back? She did some community service and had to pay some restitution, but I can't remember what it was now.
Humph. I just hope nobody offers this family to make a reality show out of the trial and penalty.
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One of the most damaging things here is that the parents have really corrupted their children. That is a big no-no in my world.

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Hear, hear. What a great life lesson these three boys have been given: you can get lots of attention, and maybe money too, by lying.

I don't watch reality shows. If this incident is any sample, maybe "reality TV" is the new top oxymoron in the English language.
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I hate to break it to you guys, but this is the Sheriff's office and the US government's way of covering up the truth of what really happened. This was an actual UFO invasion. The real wreckage is in Area 51 as we speak. They used alien technology to impersonate the Heene's in the fake home video footage T-Al showed.

This is a frame job against the Heene's!

(or so some will undoubtedly argue in the coming days)
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The Heene's have let me down. I was quite impressed with the family until the Sheriffs department announced that they believed this was a hoax. It's one thing to build a hovercraft, chase tornado's, and fly around hurricanes. It's something entirely different to engage in a deception that utilizes the resources of emergency response personnel. Especially when children are involved.

As for punishment, assuming they are convicted, my preference would be to kill them (OK, not really). But the punishment should fit the crime. If they were both in on it, which appears to be the case, mom and dad should receive the same punishment. Historically, however, the legal system has not been very severe to those who have perpetrated lies, even when those lies have caused others to significantly suffer ... Duke rape case (no punishment for the woman); Hofstra rape hoax (women gets community service and "the counseling that she needs"). Here were two women who seriously misused police resources and were quite willing to send a total of 8 men to prison for 10-20 years. Essentially no punishment. Will the Heene's receive equal treatment?
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Shawn,

You are much too mellow, you need some fuel to get started:

Jon Stewart Takes On 30 Republicans Who Voted Against Franken Rape Amendment (VIDEO)
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The Heene's have let me down. I was quite impressed with the family until the Sheriffs department announced that they believed this was a hoax. It's one thing to build a hovercraft, chase tornado's, and fly around hurricanes. It's something entirely different to engage in a deception that utilizes the resources of emergency response personnel. Especially when children are involved.

As for punishment, assuming they are convicted, my preference would be to kill them (OK, not really). But the punishment should fit the crime. If they were both in on it, which appears to be the case, mom and dad should receive the same punishment. Historically, however, the legal system has not been very severe to those who have perpetrated lies, even when those lies have caused others to significantly suffer ... Duke rape case (no punishment for the woman); Hofstra rape hoax (women gets community service and "the counseling that she needs"). Here were two women who seriously misused police resources and were quite willing to send a total of 8 men to prison for 10-20 years. Essentially no punishment. Will the Heene's receive equal treatment?
How would you feel if the male was a narcissistic, easy to anger, domineering "boss" of the family, telling everyone what to do all the time? Like requiring his wife to do all the cooking and cleaning and childcare while he worked on his goofy projects. And requiring his wife to support his grand plans. Is she equally culpable? This is a hypothetical only: I have no idea about anything about this family. And you could reverse the roles. I know families that were run by psychopaths or narcisists. It is amazing how much control one can end up having over another and how hard some find it is to escape. Male or female.

I do have an opinion on Wife Swap. I think that parents should not go on this kind of show with their children, I just don't see it as good for the kids. The families can end up being manipulated for a show and looking worse than they are. Family should be in large part be private.
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I do have an opinion on Wife Swap. I think that parents should not go on this kind of show with their children, I just don't see it as good for the kids. The families can end up being manipulated for a show and looking worse than they are. Family should be in large part be private.
Agreed. If couples without minor children want to do this, as warped as I think it is, more power to them as long as both partners are cool with it. Doing this as part of a family with minor children borders on emotional and psychological child abuse, IMO.
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How would you feel if the male was a narcissistic, easy to anger, domineering "boss" of the family, telling everyone what to do all the time?
I did hear there was a 911 call made from their house in the past - possible domestic violence.

Did anybody watch their episode of Wife Swap?

Just curious....
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As for punishment, assuming they are convicted, my preference would be to kill them (OK, not really). But the punishment should fit the crime.
Yes, we'll put the dad in a weather balloon and the mom in a box in the attic.
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Let me google that for you
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Jon Stewart Takes On 30 Republicans Who Voted Against Franken Rape Amendment (VIDEO)
I'm not certain if I understand this particular case. It seems that the alleged victim wants to sue her employer for actions that she claims have nothing to do with her employment. That is, she claims that she was ganged raped and then held captive (apparently, there was no criminal prosecution for this alleged assault). She wants to sue her employer, but her employer says that she must use arbitration due to a clause in her employment agreement. She claims that she has the right to sue her employer because the rape has nothing to do with her employment, and is hence not bound by the arbitration clause (the courts agree). Interesting case, although I'm not clear how this relates to balloon boy or the criminal punishment that people who commit deceptions should receive.
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