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Old 08-18-2008, 01:38 AM   #61
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Not to dimish what Phelp's has done but I think that Emil Zatopek's 5k, 10k, marathon triple is equal to Phelp's 8 golds.
Cool didn't know anybody every did that. I agree that is a fairly comparable accomplishment for a single olympic. Although 4 golds over 2 games isn't close to Phelps.
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:45 AM   #62
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The mystery of the half-filled stands at many events at the 2008 Olympic Games has been solved, according to Chinese internet users, who say it is the result of a policy to prevent the gathering of large and possibly uncontrollable crowds.
They claim ticket sales to the public were secretly restricted. Blocks of tickets went to government departments, Communist party officials or state-owned companies, which have quietly obeyed orders not to hand them out. “People are so angry because they slept all night outside ticket booths and got nothing and now they see this,” said one blogger, Jian Yu.
Official explanations eroded swiftly because internet insurgents have rapidly identified cracks in the perfect facade constructed for the Olympics.
China’s iron Olympic grip starts to slip - Times Online
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Doubt that somebody would be able to win the 800 and 200, very different events, the 200 is basically an all-out extended sprint. 400 is similar to a sprint, but not quite and 800 is not a sprint. Correct me if wrong, however, it may have already happened. By the way, the reason that Phelps is being praised so highly is because of 7 world records out of 8. It is not just the gold medals but being able to shatter the records in every event he is put into. And, to the point of him only being freestyle and butterfly, almost all sports (I know we are talking about Olympians) are partitioned into different types of players. Is Michael Jordan the best player of all time or is Bill Russell? One may be the best small forward and the other the center, but when talking player you have to compare the two. Rafael Nadal is an outstanding player, but only has one championship that is not the French Open (clay courts) and that is Wimbledon this year. It is not as exaggerated, but Jack Nicklaus won 6 Masters and only 3 British opens. Maybe this means that he does not have good iron work but can drive the ball far and putt (British open courses are known to have thing fairways which make iron work much more difficult and driving accuracy over power is highlighted). Just saying that he can do two events, only one spectacularly (fly) does not seem much of a detriment to me.
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Doubt that somebody would be able to win the 800 and 200, very different events, the 200 is basically an all-out extended sprint. 400 is similar to a sprint, but not quite and 800 is not a sprint.
I ran the 400 and 800 in high school and college, NO WAY I had the speed for a 200. Guys that do a 200 and 400 are more common than in years past. Michael Johnson never ran the 100 because he didn't have enough explosive speed off the line.......

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By the way, the reason that Phelps is being praised so highly is because of 7 world records out of 8. It is not just the gold medals but being able to shatter the records in every event he is put into.
World records get broken, Olympic Golds are forever.........

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If they both could have met in their prime for a one-on-one match to 50, with one point per basket, who would you take? I'd take Jordan every time.......

What Phelps did WAS amazing, but he doesn't do it without help in 3 relays. In that light, Usain Bolt's double double with two world records is more amazing to me.
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Interesting debate. I was a mediocre breast stroker in High School and currently swim distances, only experiences in track were unpleasant so I am far from an expert...

IMO, good Olympian are the best at one event. Superior Olympians are great at either two similar events (e.g. 100 or 200 distance, spring board and platform diving, overall gymnastics and floor exercise...) or one event over multiple Olympics.

Great Olympians win two or more golds in two or more Olympics.
An exceptional Olympian like Carl Lewis wins three individual golds and than continues to win multiple gold in additional Olympics. If Bolts wins the 100 and 200 in London, then he deserves to be talked about in the same breath as Carl.

I look at swimming as having three different disciplines speed (i.e. freestyle), stroke specialist (breast stroke, and back stroke are as different as sprinting and hurdles) and overall swimming (the Individual Medley). Ignoring the numbers of gold, what Phelps did is so remarkable because he won golds in all three different disciplines over two Olympics. Something no one else has ever done. For instance the great Russian gymnast Larissa Latynina (9 golds, 18 medals most overall) won 3 individual events in 1956 but only 2 individual in 1960. Same thing with Carl Lewis 3 individual golds in 84 but "only" two in 88. I think this is why Phelps deserves the title as the greatest Olympian ever.
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Interesting debate. I was a mediocre breast stroker in High School and currently swim distances, only experiences in track were unpleasant so I am far from an expert...
I was a world-class breast fondler stroker in HS...
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I was a world-class breast fondler stroker in HS...

The board is slow today, everybody must be watching the hot woman
Olympics, it took 90 minutes before somebody swung at the softbreastball. I figured it would take less than an hour.
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I thought the issue of the Chinese gymnast's age was going to fade away. Maybe not.

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Should it be John Dane, a 58 year-old sailor from New Orleans?
Well, sailing fans, it was just not meant to be.

Star Class had a series of 10 races among a field of 16 boats.

Our man got off to a great start, clinging a narrow lead after three races. By end of the sixth race, however, his boat had fallen to 15th place.

The last four races went better, but the team failed to make the 10-boat medal race.

Final result: 11th place.
"Dane qualified for the U.S. sailing team in Beijing, after 40 years of unsuccessful attempts, first in 1968, at age 18, when he was No. 2 in a borrowed Dragon-class boat. He tried again in the Soling class in 1972, then in the Finn class in 1974 and the Star in 1984.


It finally worked when he teamed up with [son-in-law Austin] Sperry, now 30.


Dane flew from Qingdao, the sailing venue, to the Olympic opening ceremony a week ago in Beijing, 300 miles to the north.


"It was the thrill of a lifetime. I mean standing there in a tunnel, people chanting USA, the adrenalin pumping. It was just a moment to remember my whole life," said Dane.

From another article, reporting on the results:

"Itís not enjoyable, but itís a great experience to be at the Olympics and Iím fortunate to be one of those few people who have been to the Olympics," he said. "I just wish I had done better for our country and the rest of the team."



Dane was America's oldest Olympian. Sperry is his son-in-law and was glad to help the 58-year-old fulfill a lifelong dream to make the Olympics.


"I take pride in that. I helped give the old guy something heís always wanted," he said. "Heís been a savior for a lot of people [providing housing to his employees after Hurricane Katrina] so he deserves it."
Good on ya, John Dane.
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The board is slow today, everybody must be watching the hot woman
Olympics, it took 90 minutes before somebody swung at the softbreastball. I figured it would take less than an hour.
Classic moment last night on NBC. Kostas asks Collingsworth if the girls played in sweats would it be as interesting? And Collingsowrth smiled and said, well NO!!!
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Is there some rule in volleyball that requires a group hug after every point?
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I checked out the beach volleyball rules over at volleyball.com. I couldn't find anything requiring it but I didn't find anything discouraging it either.

Is it that different than high fives after a good playing in football or basketball?

I hope your not complaining about the mandatory hug and roll around on the sand after you win the gold medal, which I must admit I enjoyed much more when the woman did it than the men.
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