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Old 10-09-2007, 03:17 PM   #61
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Sorry to say I disagree with this opinion... there are many medical procedures that are very expensive and if the person does not have insurance OR the ability to pay they should not be able to get them... I don't think we should be doing heart transplants for the illegal immigrant that wandered into our country.
Agree completely. Whatever we do it should be done for citizens only, or people who are legally on the path to becoming citizens. If we are not already a Spanish speaking country in 10 years or so, we will come around to this.

See how Switzerland is going. And the Swiss are famously humane but also rational. We OTOH are chaotic and irrational. We go to Iraq and kill people randomly at great cost; meanwhile we take care of any illiterate who manages to sneak into our country, also at great cost.

Sounds brilliant!

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According to this http://www.census.gov/govs/statetax/05staxrank.html 2005 data from the census bureau, Wisconsin was number 13 in per capita taxation, New Jersey was number 8 and my home, Connecticut, was number 4.
This is state taxes only. I wonder what things would look like if you tossed in median or average RE taxes. I bet TX would be a lot further up the list.
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This is state taxes only. I wonder what things would look like if you tossed in median or average RE taxes. I bet TX would be a lot further up the list.
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This is state taxes only. I wonder what things would look like if you tossed in median or average RE taxes. I bet TX would be a lot further up the list.
It would be higher but probably not as much as one would first think.

That's because Texas has relatively low property values, which at least partially offset one of the higher property tax *rates* in the country.

Now if you take a state like New Jersey -- with a high rate *and* high housing prices -- OUCH. At least the Texas property tax is a high rate applied to a relatively low valuation.
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This is state taxes only. I wonder what things would look like if you tossed in median or average RE taxes. I bet TX would be a lot further up the list.
Plus, throw in the highest gas tax in the country, perhaps the highest cigarette tax in the country, etc..........

It's not ALL about state and federal tax, the local taxes are onerous...........
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Agree completely. Whatever we do it should be done for citizens only, or people who are legally on the path to becoming citizens. If we are not already a Spanish speaking country in 10 years or so, we will come around to this.

See how Switzerland is going. And the Swiss are famously humane but also rational. We OTOH are chaotic and irrational. We go to Iraq and kill people randomly at great cost; meanwhile we take care of any illiterate who manages to sneak into our country, also at great cost.

Sounds brilliant!

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Retire from the military with 20 years and you and your spouse your kids (up to 21 I think in school) covered. If you die, they are still covered.
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Retire from the military with 20 years and you and your spouse your kids (up to 21 I think in school) covered. If you die, they are still covered.
Thought so. Benefit wouldn't be worth much if it didn't include the family.

But thanks, I won't be joining up any time soon.
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I was going to send the recruiter over, guess I'll have to give him a call and tell him never mind.
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I was going to send the recruiter over, guess I'll have to give him a call and tell him never mind.
Was it the uniform in my avatar that fooled you?
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Do they need 40 year old guys with bad knees?
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Sorry to say I disagree with this opinion... there are many medical procedures that are very expensive and if the person does not have insurance OR the ability to pay they should not be able to get them... I don't think we should be doing heart transplants for the illegal immigrant that wandered into our country.
Off course if someone wants breast augmentation surgery, we (as a society) should not pay for it! But if you have high blood pressure you inherited from your parents (and not because you are overdosing on chips while lounging in front of the TV) and you can't afford your high blood pressure medication (which can be very expensive), are you saying that we should stand back, do nothing until you show up at the ER with a heart attack or a stroke? Plus I didn't say that cost was not an issue. I said it should not be the primary concern of your doctor. His primary concern should be your health.

And while I agree that we don't owe nothing to illegals, I still think we should treat them as human beings and not as pests...
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I should know! I come from Geneva, Switzerland!
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