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Old 07-16-2005, 05:29 PM   #21
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I would guess that I waste about an hour a day. I see others in my Federal workplace waste about an hour or two each day. There are a few that seem to waste about half their day and a few that work quite a few extra unpaid hours. My hour of waste is usually through having personal conversations with people, and I may space out for about 10-20 minutes during the day. I do very little web-browsing outside of my 15 minute breaks.


Most of the people in my office are overworked/overstressed. We seem to have a never ending pile of work to do. The real problem with the work is that we don't try to find ways to get it done more efficiently. I find myself spending about 50% of my time doing clerical duties and assistant duties that can be accomplished by a GS-5 or GS-7. The other half, I actually get to do my real GS-11 duties. It pains me to think that they are paying me $24 an hour to organize paperwork, make copies, type things into a spreadsheet, type codes into the computer, and other non-specialist duties.* Unfourtunately, we don't have any money in our budget to hire clerical people so we have to do those duties ourselves.
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Re: Big shocker here...
Old 07-16-2005, 07:19 PM   #22
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I would guess that I waste about an hour a day. I see others in my Federal workplace waste about an hour or two each day. There are a few that seem to waste about half their day and a few that work quite a few extra unpaid hours. My hour of waste is usually through having personal conversations with people, and I may space out for about 10-20 minutes during the day. I do very little web-browsing outside of my 15 minute breaks.


Most of the people in my office are overworked/overstressed. We seem to have a never ending pile of work to do. The real problem with the work is that we don't try to find ways to get it done more efficiently. I find myself spending about 50% of my time doing clerical duties and assistant duties that can be accomplished by a GS-5 or GS-7. The other half, I actually get to do my real GS-11 duties. It pains me to think that they are paying me $24 an hour to organize paperwork, make copies, type things into a spreadsheet, type codes into the computer, and other non-specialist duties.* Unfourtunately, we don't have any money in our budget to hire clerical people so we have to do those duties ourselves.
Just take the money.

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Old 07-17-2005, 10:48 AM   #23
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Having been a fed employee for 32 years and a gov't contractor for two years before I retired, I can't really argue with the 4 hours a day figure for time wasted.* However, I do take exception to the implication that this is due to laziness on the part of working level gov't employees.
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I'm not so sure that the situation is any different in any large organization, public or private.
Malcolm Baldridge once asked a room full of top executives:* "How many of you have deadwood on your staff?"* Almost every hand went up.* Baldridge then followed with the query:* "So ... did you hire them that way ... or did you KILL THEM OFF YOURSELF??"

You are exactly right, Grumpy.* It's not the person, it's the system, and a management mindset that focuses on "work prevention" and "success prevention" policies vs getting the real job done.

I spent two years in a top business school learning to do something at which I excel -- strategic marketing.* I now spend 85% of my time in Megacorp slogging my way through the massive bureaucracy -- filing reports to justify one-hour conference calls with paying clients or to request permission to spend $3.85 on gas to attend an in-person meeting.

This type of pain would suck the initiative out of the hardest-working person in the world.*

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Old 07-17-2005, 11:29 AM   #24
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Malcolm Baldridge once asked a room full of top executives:* "How many of you have deadwood on your staff?"* Almost every hand went up.* Baldridge then followed with the query:* "So ... did you hire them that way ... or did you KILL THEM OFF YOURSELF??"

You are exactly right, Grumpy.* It's not the person, it's the system, and a management mindset that focuses on "work prevention" and "success prevention" policies vs getting the real job done.

I spent two years in a top business school learning to do something at which I excel -- strategic marketing.* I now spend 85% of my time in Megacorp slogging my way through the massive bureaucracy -- filing reports to justify one-hour conference calls with paying clients or to request permission to spend $3.85 on gas to attend an in-person meeting.

This type of pain would suck the initiative out of the hardest-working person in the world.*

Caroline

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Old 07-17-2005, 11:32 AM   #25
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Most of the people in my office are overworked/overstressed. We seem to have a never ending pile of work to do. The real problem with the work is that we don't try to find ways to get it done more efficiently. I find myself spending about 50% of my time doing clerical duties and assistant duties that can be accomplished by a GS-5 or GS-7. The other half, I actually get to do my real GS-11 duties. It pains me to think that they are paying me $24 an hour to organize paperwork, make copies, type things into a spreadsheet, type codes into the computer, and other non-specialist duties.* Unfourtunately, we don't have any money in our budget to hire clerical people so we have to do those duties ourselves.
Yes, with the advent of the PC the "professional" staff was empowered to do all their own typing and other clerical functions, letting them get rid of all the deadwood clerical staff. What a savings! *:

Some jobs also tend to be "feast or famine". *If you've got a set amount of work and you tend to work more quickly than others, you can easily end up with either more free time during the day or a lot of down time at the end of the work cycle. *There isn't always an opportunity to do some sort of proactive work in the downtime. *The work is generally going to be scheduled based on the "average" worker as the rate determining factor. *It also doesn't always get adjusted as small efficiencies are developed by the workers.

I do systems stuff (for the next 5 weeks). *If the LAN is functioning fine and no one has a question about an application I've got exactly nothing else to do. *If there's a problem I may be busier than the proverbial one-armed paper hanger.

Other people have jobs that include a lot of work that may have them staring off into space trying to figure out what to do/write/analyze. *This may look unproductive, but it is the real work being accomplished.

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Old 07-18-2005, 08:20 PM   #26
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My first gov job had extra time. I was working for the Dept of Defense at that time. I switched agencies in 1977 and have not had any time where there was not plenty of work to do. I never surf the web at work. I do admit to having personal conversations at times, but I usually compensate by staying after quitting time an equivalent amount of time or more.

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Old 07-19-2005, 09:50 AM   #27
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I am getting to be more and more of a slacker as I near full retirement (now just under two years hence).

Yes, I do work three part-time jobs (all of which are somewhat demanding), but I find that I'm surfing the web more and more, going to lunch with friends and staying out of the office longer, postponing projects that don't have a short due date, etc., etc.

There's been some talk about my taking a full time job again (plus keeping the part-time teaching position at the local state university), but I really don't think I can get my mind around it. Leaving the CEO position (voluntarily) of my firm 18 months ago seems to have catalyzed a FIRE mindset that is growing rather than abating.

As soon as my daughter gradutates from college, the RE part of FIRE will happen. My mind is clearly on FIRE these days, and I've noticed my attitude is beginning to influence my wife (who this very morning wistfully said "only two more years?" as she left for the office).
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As of today, I have 29.3 billable hours this month.

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