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Old 08-16-2009, 09:30 PM   #21
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This is very interesting. Dylan was arrested for being old and white in an Hispanic area.

Gosh, does this remind anyone of anything?

I wonder what would happen if someone called the SPD and said "there's an old Mexican man in my white neighborhood. Better come have a look."

Ha
I think it only worked out so well because he was oldish and whitish. He wasn't arrested, just asked for ID and then taken to where he could be identified. I doubt someone younger and more colorful would have gotten as much deference and cooperation. I'm sure he helped by not getting snotty with the police.

But just to enlighten me, can anybody tell me when we started to need to produce our ID on demand? "Your papers please" used to be a sarcastic commentary on governments that weren't as free as ours.
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Old 08-16-2009, 09:47 PM   #22
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But just to enlighten me, can anybody tell me when we started to need to produce our ID on demand? "Your papers please" used to be a sarcastic commentary on governments that weren't as free as ours.
I don't think you have to produce an actual physical identification (exception being the requirement to provide your driver's license if you're stopped while operating a vehicle). In general though, you do have to identify yourself if you've been arrested or detained, and in some states (like Texas) you have to identify yourself to an officer who believes you are a witness to a crime. The Supremes ruled in the Hiibel (sp?) case that you can identify yourself verbally and meet the requirement. Of course, absent a credible piece of government issued identification, and given the incredible number of crooks who run around without I.D., no police officer is going to be satisfied that you are who you say you are until he can verify it independently.
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This is very interesting. Dylan was arrested for being old and white in an Hispanic area.

Gosh, does this remind anyone of anything?

I wonder what would happen if someone called the SPD and said "there's an old Mexican man in my white neighborhood. Better come have a look."

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Ha,

Gotta confess, I'm clueless (as is often the case) What ya thinkin' of my friend?

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Actually I believe he was born Robert Zimmerman. Question for the law enforcement/lawyers, assuming that Dylan never legally changed his name (not sure if that is true or not) is it illegal to give a cop a ID saying you are Bob Dylan if that isn't your real name.
Bob Dylan did legally do all the filings to change his name to Bob Dylan in the early 1960's.

Of course Bob Dylan did ironically enough release an album called Street Legal that had the following verses in a couple of the songs:

Socialism, hypnotism, patriotism, materialism.
Fools making laws for the breaking of jaws
And the sound of the keys as they clink
But there's no time to think.

Are you so fast that you cannot see that I must have solitude?
When I am in the darkness, why do you intrude?
Do you know my world, do you know my kind
Or must I explain?
Will you let me be myself
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But just to enlighten me, can anybody tell me when we started to need to produce our ID on demand? "Your papers please" used to be a sarcastic commentary on governments that weren't as free as ours.

I'm surprised by your question. Old White Guys are always required to produce proper ID on demand. It's one of those "what goes around, comes around" things.
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It was George Harrison, Dylan, Jeff Lynne, Roy Orbison, and Tom Petty - The Travelling Wilburys.

Doh! Purron beat me to it.
And the Highwaymen was Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash.
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Here is "House of the Rising Sun" by Bob Dylan when young. The video shows some pictures of him in his 20s.



Some time earlier, I posted the rendition of the same ballad by The Animals. This song was and still is a favorite of mine. The singer, Eric Burdon, and the rest of the band were in their early 20s in the video, despite their youthful look. Search youtube and you can see how Eric Burdon looked in recent years.

House of Rising Sun - The Animals


PS. Oops. Just found out that the referenced 1964 video of The Animals has been removed. So, I have found another one.

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Oh, what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin',
I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest,
Where the people are many and their hands are all empty,
Running Man--I was always partial to Leon Russell's version...



Oh...and I love Robert Palmer's version of "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight."




Many times, other artists did a better job of Bob's songs.
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