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Old 07-22-2009, 10:10 AM   #21
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We are still struggling through the end of a recession - and you are planning to use a US program to get "cash for clunkers" money to help make this purchase. Why would you consider a non-American car company?
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We are still struggling through the end of a recession - and you are planning to use a US program to get "cash for clunkers" money to help make this purchase. Why would you consider a non-American car company?
A LOT of "import" cars are made in the US today, while more and more "domestic" cars are being made OUTSIDE of the US, in places like Mexico and Brazil.

Sounds like you are a protectionist.......
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We are still struggling through the end of a recession - and you are planning to use a US program to get "cash for clunkers" money to help make this purchase. Why would you consider a non-American car company?
For what it's worth, the Sonata is built at a Hyundai plant in Montgomery, AL. Some "American" cars aren't built in America at all, such as the new Chevy Camaro (Oshawa, Canada), and the Ford Fusion (Hermosillo, Mexico).

My Nissan was built by Americans in Tennessee.
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We are still struggling through the end of a recession - and you are planning to use a US program to get "cash for clunkers" money to help make this purchase. Why would you consider a non-American car company?
Very few vehicles are "imported" fully assembled. Most are built by U.S. labor. And my bank accounts are not social programs.
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We are still struggling through the end of a recession - and you are planning to use a US program to get "cash for clunkers" money to help make this purchase. Why would you consider a non-American car company?

What is 'American' and what is not?

Is the Pontiac Vibe an American car? It IS a GM sold car...

If you say 'yes', then the Toyota Matrix is also an American car because they are built on the same assembly line and have basically the same componets...

I did not check out the American content of any of these cars...
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quietman is a little confused..........
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There have been a number of articles on what constitutes an "American" car anymore. Nissan, Honda and Toyota all have assembly plants in the U.S. My GMC truck was made in Canada. The electronics for all of them are made in various Asian countries.

My Suzuki motorcycle was made in Japan, but I've read that GM owns 40% of Suzuki.

It isn't cut and dry anymore.
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I know Chrysler is not on OP's list, but I just saw this today:

Chrysler Offers $4,500 as ‘Clunker’ Program Begins (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Perhaps the info could be used in negotiating?
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I know Chrysler is not on OP's list, but I just saw this today:

Chrysler Offers $4,500 as €˜Clunker€™ Program Begins (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Perhaps the info could be used in negotiating?

Since I am in a credit union, the G6 reabate is $4,750, the Matrix is $3,250...

Hyundai is giving $3,000 for the Sonata and $2,000 for the Elantra...

I will see if some of these goes up... but I am not interested in any Chrysler... I think they are a lot worse than GM...

As for negotiating... only for the Hyundai.... I can get the supplier price on the GMs... which, BTW are NOT that much less... but still less then I can negotiate...
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Since I am in a credit union, the G6 reabate is $4,750, the Matrix is $3,250...

Hyundai is giving $3,000 for the Sonata and $2,000 for the Elantra...

I will see if some of these goes up... but I am not interested in any Chrysler... I think they are a lot worse than GM...
Well, the article does say the other car makers are expected to follow suit, so maybe that would be helpful info?
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I know Chrysler is not on OP's list, but I just saw this today:

Chrysler Offers $4,500 as ‘Clunker’ Program Begins (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Perhaps the info could be used in negotiating?

OK... I can hope they do match.... here is the costs IF they match..

G6
14,700
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12,700
Vibe
11,250
Elantra
9,000


The Elantra starts to look very good at that price...
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OK..... how about buy one... get a second for $1...

"Buy any new 2009 Hyundai Sonata and get a new 2009 Hyundai Accent for 1$ offer: When you purchase any new 2009 Hyundai Sonata at Dealers list price, you will receive a new 2009 Hyundai Accent (Dealer List Price $10,960.00) for $1. The customer is responsible for all fees and taxes on both vehicles (by the way, thats less than $600 on the Accent).
Dealership must receive all funds from customer and finance source for the Sonata before finalizing the Accent purchase and delivery. In other words, if you buy a Sonata, the dealership must have all funds collected from you and the lien holder before we finalize the sale and you take delivery of the Accent.
Offer is valid while supplies last or June 30th, 2009 whichever comes first. There are a limited number of these models remaining in inventory, so hurry! All vehicles must have the same name on the titles (Co-buyers are okay). This offer cannot be combined with any other offers. Any rebates that you qualify for, on both vehicles, will be used in conjunction with dealer discounts towards the purchase of the Accent. Offer is for well qualified buyers or cash buyers."
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OK..... how about buy one... get a second for $1...

"Buy any new 2009 Hyundai Sonata and get a new 2009 Hyundai Accent for 1$ offer: When you purchase any new 2009 Hyundai Sonata at Dealers list price, you will receive a new 2009 Hyundai Accent (Dealer List Price $10,960.00) for $1. The customer is responsible for all fees and taxes on both vehicles (by the way, thats less than $600 on the Accent).
Dealership must receive all funds from customer and finance source for the Sonata before finalizing the Accent purchase and delivery. In other words, if you buy a Sonata, the dealership must have all funds collected from you and the lien holder before we finalize the sale and you take delivery of the Accent.
Offer is valid while supplies last or June 30th, 2009 whichever comes first. There are a limited number of these models remaining in inventory, so hurry! All vehicles must have the same name on the titles (Co-buyers are okay). This offer cannot be combined with any other offers. Any rebates that you qualify for, on both vehicles, will be used in conjunction with dealer discounts towards the purchase of the Accent. Offer is for well qualified buyers or cash buyers."
It expired June 30th, any updates??
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It expired June 30th, any updates??
Wow... did not see that date.... I just heard it on the radio ad last night... I guess when you go into the dealer they say 'that program is over'....
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We are still struggling through the end of a recession - and you are planning to use a US program to get "cash for clunkers" money to help make this purchase. Why would you consider a non-American car company?
Because that is how Congress wrote the rules? If they intended the program to be mfg specific, they should have done that.

BTW, I think the program is stupid in every way imaginable.

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I voted for the Sonata. We purchased a Santa Fe a few weeks ago. Absolutely love the car.
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So how does cash for clunker work? The manufacturers are making it sound as if as long as you trade in an older vehicle for a new higher MPG new vehicle, you could get $3500 to $4500. Even the lower $3500 is higher than what I can get for my 8-year-old domestic van with close to 90,000 miles on it. That new Mazda3 hatchback is looking pretty good with a $4500 discount.

BTW, according to http://www.cars.gov/, the program's details are just starting to firm up, so the program is just getting start instead of being over by June, 2009 as another poster stated.

OK, so for a car that gets 4 MPG more, you qualify for the $3500 rebate. For a car that gets 10 MPG more, you qualify for the $4500 rebate. The car you're trading in can't be more than 25 years old.
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So how does cash for clunker work? The manufacturers are making it sound as if as long as you trade in an older vehicle for a new higher MPG new vehicle, you could get $3500 to $4500. Even the lower $3500 is higher than what I can get for my 8-year-old domestic van with close to 90,000 miles on it. That new Mazda3 hatchback is looking pretty good with a $4500 discount.

BTW, according to CARS.gov - Car Allowance Rebate System - Home - Formerly Referred to as “Cash for Clunkers”, the program's details are just starting to firm up, so the program is just getting start instead of being over by June, 2009 as another poster stated.

OK, so for a car that gets 4 MPG more, you qualify for the $3500 rebate. For a car that gets 10 MPG more, you qualify for the $4500 rebate. The car you're trading in can't be more than 25 years old.
Your last stmt is correct...

Your second, about someone posting about it ending June is wrong.... that was the $1 car promo I posted.... not the cash for clunkers..
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My wife moved from an Acura to a Hyundai Sonata about six years ago. We paid it off early. Full power-everything and leather seats. It was her way of downsizing without giving up comfort/luxury. We've had no major issues and very few minor ones. It's been a real solid car to own and drive.

As part of our get-out-of-debt program I sold my Honda CR-V for around $10,000 a few years ago and purchased a 2001 Elantra with 140,000 miles on it for $4000. Used the proceeds to pay off the motorcycles. I called it my ghetto-mobile. The wife made me replace the steel wheels. I drove it for two years commuting. It ran very well for an older car and never left me stranded or calling for roadside assistance.

So yeah, Elantra or Sonata, can't go wrong. Elantra if you want to get rid of the debt soonest. Pontiac? Well, my wife's sister used to work for them and I've heard too many stories. She owns a Jeep now.
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Thanks for this thread. I just went and bought a Sonata based upon all the feedback on here. Sweet deal. They discounted $900 off dealer invoice, $3,000 rebate, and gave me full Kelly Blue Book trade value on my big boat 2003 Mercury. Got out of there for a little over $10k and a brand new car with a 100k miles warranty plan and the automatic transmission. I'm 6'3" tall and this car is as roomy as my Merc, and has a bigger trunk! I didn't even haggle, there was no need. I was going to buy a Cadillac but their salesman was the laziest I have ever come across.
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