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Old 07-25-2007, 10:14 AM   #21
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CVT's have been around for a LONG time.
Correct, but not complete. The recent breakthrough in CVT technology is the development of the metallic belt, which improves the system durability by many folds, and allows it to handle more powerful engines.

Prior to this development, CVT were mainly used in small motorcycles, and more recently in the Subaru Justy.

BTW, you forgot mechanics. They won't promote CVT either.
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Correct, but not complete. The recent breakthrough in CVT technology is the development of the metallic belt, which improves the system durability by many folds, and allows it to handle more powerful engines.

Prior to this development, CVT were mainly used in small motorcycles, and more recently in the Subaru Justy.

BTW, you forgot mechanics. They won't promote CVT either.
Yeah, the mechanics won't like it either. However, since the average car now has 6-8 computers in it, a couple of which will CONTROL said CVT, they're just fine........

How about a hybrid AWD midsize car with CVT that can get 40 city 50 highway, I'd buy one in a heartbeat!!

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How about a hybrid AWD midsize car with CVT that can get 40 city 50 highway, I'd buy one in a heartbeat!!
It should be here any moment. All the technologies are readily available. It's just a matter of market demand.
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It should be here any moment. All the technologies are readily available. It's just a matter of market demand.
Just in time for the all electrics to hit the popular price range (well, maybe).

All electrics don't need a transmission at all, or worst case, just a simple two-speed for cruising vs accelerating (like the Tesla, but they are pushing performance to justify the $100K price tag).

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ERD50, I have not done any research on the Tesla. But I find it hard to believe their claims: 135 mpg equivalent, less than 2cent a mile.

Has any independent organization verified the above?
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It should be here any moment. All the technologies are readily available. It's just a matter of market demand.
Seems to me that it would be in demand at these high gas price times.

One of my friends manages a big metro car dealership. He said the SUV and big truck market is rough, plus resale on V-6 cars is getting hammered because everyone wants 4-cylinders. He said he sold 15 used 4 cylinder accords, and only 3 V-6's...........
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Seems to me that it would be in demand at these high gas price times.
But only when the price is right. Some people do know how to calculate the financial advantage/disadvantage of a hybrid.
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ERD50, I have not done any research on the Tesla. But I find it hard to believe their claims: 135 mpg equivalent, less than 2cent a mile.

Has any independent organization verified the above?
I don't know if it has been verified, you could look at their site, but I don't doubt the numbers myself.

The car is aerodynamic, and uses the lightweight, high-power LION batteries. So the 2 cent/mile figure is within reason, though they may be calculating on night time electrical rates, not available everywhere.

They are also not calculating the cost of a battery pack replacement, which might be needed after 100,000 miles. I think the batteries make up ~ $40K of the price of the car. But, 8 years from now, maybe these batteries (or better ones) will be cheaper. Even $20K over 100K miles adds 20 cents per mile to that 2 cent figure -whooops! But, no oil changes, tune ups, spark plugs, air filters, probably no brake pads replaced, etc, etc, etc either.

Of course, nobody should be buying a $100K car that does 0-60 in four seconds to save a few bucks on gasoline. This is the high end model to fund future development of more affordable models.

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Great. Thanks for the explanation.
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But only when the price is right. Some people do know how to calculate the financial advantage/disadvantage of a hybrid.
Which is why I don't own one..........

Also wondering how much it costs when the battery pack goes on a Prius around 110,000 miles or so, I have heard numbers from $3000-$4000........
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Wife and I purchased a new Altima a few months ago and I was impressed with the smoothness of the CVT. Too early to tell on gas milage yet.
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Too early to tell on gas milage yet.
What has it been so far? What size of the engine?
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What has it been so far? What size of the engine?
2.5 and really haven't checked the milage.
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Wife and I purchased a new Altima a few months ago and I was impressed with the smoothness of the CVT. Too early to tell on gas milage yet.
I really like the new Altima's, but I'm not sure they have enough legroom for me (6'5"). My in-laws have a new Maxima, and it has jack squat for legroom.
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My DS is the GM of a Nissan store in NY. Last week while visiting I drove a new v6 Altima for a week. I'm 6'4" and my leg hit the console which was uncomfortable, also the seat is the worst. It's like sitting on a stone, other than those 2 things the car was great. Best things was it didn't cost me anything to drive it for a week except the gas.
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My DS is the GM of a Nissan store in NY. Last week while visiting I drove a new v6 Altima for a week. I'm 6'4" and my leg hit the console which was uncomfortable, also the seat is the worst. It's like sitting on a stone, other than those 2 things the car was great. Best things was it didn't cost me anything to drive it for a week except the gas.
Those are the two things that stuck out the most for me, too. The console issue happens with a lot of the stuff I have driven.
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