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Old 08-16-2016, 08:15 PM   #41
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Well, that's your opinion, and one not widely shared by experts. My cats stay inside where they won't pick up diseases, run over by cars (they aren't nearly as good as dogs about getting out of the way), get preyed upon by larger animals, get in fights with other cats or animals, and so on. Might help my health too as they aren't bringing in fleas and ticks. I try to give them activities and room for exercise. I'm sure they'd get more on their own outside but mine are at a really good weight. "Extremely cruel"? Hardly.
And you are entitled to your opinion too and to keep your poor cat cooped up inside since you wish to. And to be brutally honest, i don't care a rat's a$$ what the supposed experts.... especially the Sierra Club.
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We have coyotes and coydogs around here too... we can sometimes hear them at night in the summer but they tend to avoid the areas where our houses are and are more up in the uninhabited woods. Many years ago in our old neighborhood we lost a couple of older cats... we think to a fox that was later killed... so we are well aware of the hazards of letting out cats outdoors. Also, some neighbors have recently lost cats... we think to a neighborhood owl but that is just a guess. As a result, we are now trying to make sure our cat is in about dark. Amazingly, he actually usually comes when DW calls him.

But I am still willing to take the risk rather than see him cooped up all day inside.
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When we lived in Bainbridge Island the wildlife folks once took a look at an eagle's nest and found 20+ cat collars.

Small dogs and cats are prey for eagles, hawks and owls.
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PETA has quite a bit on their site about humans being the biggest predator to cats. They have had reports of cats being rounded up and sold for research, skinned for fur, used as bait in dog fights and all sorts of scary stuff done to them. They also recommend cats be kept inside or outside under supervision, or outside with a product called Cat Fence In, a mesh barrier that goes on top of a regular fence that keeps cats inside a yard:

Animal Rights Uncompromised: Outdoor Cat | Cruel Practices | Companion Animals | The Issues | PETA

or outdoor enclosures for cats:

http://www.peta.org/living/companion...s/indoor-cats/
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Yup. PETA's credibility is right up there with the Sierra Club in my book.
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Yup. PETA's credibility is right up there with the Sierra Club in my book.
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OP here-the indoor/outdoor debate has proved to be interesting. For the record I am with PB4uski. When we pick up our cat from the vets after being boarded for a few days, he so lethargic and indifferent, you can tell his "spirit" has been materially repressed. I know, I know better repressed than dead but that is a debate for another thread.
NOW, back to the original question--what recommendations are there regarding the actual cat door?? Couple of helpful remarks on chip versions and the like. I was hoping for helpful tips about location and installation as well as brands.
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So much for friendly discussion on cat doors.
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