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Old 06-12-2005, 02:26 PM   #1
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Due to some user complaints, I offer the following suggestions for your dining pleasure. Perhaps if there is clear-cut feeling for any of them, Dory will consider the implementation of the s/w change or the rule change.

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#1: As the former #1 poster by count, and soon to be again unless John starts staying up all night extending his counts by not only replying to himself, but arguing with himself, I find post counts to be about the most worthless thing on earth. A "member since" is fine, but how many times you pontificate has no value. It appears to me that a lot of the completely unnecessary crap has started just since the s/w change when a few users had extensive 'guest posts' consolidated.

#2: Karma as I understand it lets you rate a person and/or their posts...i'm not sure which and at the end of the day it doesnt matter to me. Being able to identify who I think has valuable contributions, who doesnt, and who should be avoided at all costs has some nice value that longer tenured posters can offer up to newbies. It might also be a pleasant or unpleasant surprise for someone to find out that their contributions are well received or that they should consider a new line of 'work'. It also lets people 'tag' someone who likes to tell half the story, usually the good half, so others dont get suckered in.

#3: I think it shows complete disdain for your fellow board members when you reply to yourself 5-7 times in a row with brain farts and other unrelated "and another thing..." sorts of information. How about a rule that says if you posted and nobody has posted since you did, and you've come up with something else to say, that you edit your own post to add that information. Its as easy as creating a new one.

#4: Tough one. I have no problem with a hijack or a few posts in another direction, but I notice (and agreeably have participated in) 3-5 pages of off topic tacked onto the end of a post. Perhaps a 'soft rule' that says if you have a comment, make it, but if you want to have a completely separate discussion...start one?

#5: locker room. Many boards of sizeable membership find that at some point somebody is gonna wanna talk about politics, tell a naughty joke, or ask another male forum member for a photo of their balls. Many boards have an "anything goes" area. Maybe we should have one with a soft rule that anything that may be considered reasonably objectionable or a 'hot' topic goes in there.

#6: Soft rule to eliminate posts that do nothing other than correct spelling, syntax or grammar. While these may be amusing to the people who post them, about all they're going to do is irritate most people and divert a thread from its original discussion.

#7: Like it the way it is, dont change a dang thing.

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Re: Changes to smooth things out
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Concerning sequential posts...

Does anyone really care about having a high post count?

Does everyone realize that they can edit posts that they've already made?
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Suggestion if technical possibilities allow . . .

POSTING :-
Set an Original Topic 'Relevancy rating' (i.e. 1-10 indicator) when posting replies
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Set a 'Practicality rating' (usefulness/helpfulness rating)

READING :-
Add a Filter (i.e. dropdown list) at the start of each topic that filters posts based on relevancy (i.e. 1-10 indicator)
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Due to some user complaints, I offer the following suggestions for your dining pleasure.* Perhaps if there is clear-cut feeling for any of them, Dory will consider the implementation of the s/w change or the rule change.

In detail:

#1: As the former #1 poster by count, and soon to be again unless John starts staying up all night extending his counts by not only replying to himself, but arguing with himself, I find post counts to be about the most worthless thing on earth.* A "member since" is fine, but how many times you pontificate has no value.* It appears to me that a lot of the completely unnecessary crap has started just since the s/w change when a few users had extensive 'guest posts' consolidated.

#2: Karma as I understand it lets you rate a person and/or their posts...i'm not sure which and at the end of the day it doesnt matter to me.* Being able to identify who I think has valuable contributions, who doesnt, and who should be avoided at all costs has some nice value that longer tenured posters can offer up* to newbies.* It might also be a pleasant or unpleasant surprise for someone to find out that their contributions are well received or that they should consider a new line of 'work'.* It also lets people 'tag' someone who likes to tell half the story, usually the good half, so others dont get suckered in.

#3: I think it shows complete disdain for your fellow board members when you reply to yourself 5-7 times in a row with brain farts and other unrelated "and another thing..." sorts of information.* How about a rule that says if you posted and nobody has posted since you did, and you've come up with something else to say, that you edit your own post to add that information.* Its as easy as creating a new one.

#4: Tough one.* I have no problem with a hijack or a few posts in another direction, but I notice (and agreeably have participated in) 3-5 pages of off topic tacked onto the end of a post.* Perhaps a 'soft rule' that says if you have a comment, make it, but if you want to have a completely separate discussion...start one?

#5: locker room.* Many boards of sizeable membership find that at some point somebody is gonna wanna talk about politics, tell a naughty joke, or ask another male forum member for a photo of their balls.* Many boards have an "anything goes" area.* Maybe we should have one with a soft rule that anything that may be considered reasonably objectionable or a 'hot' topic goes in there.

#6: Soft rule to eliminate posts that do nothing other than correct spelling, syntax or grammar.* While these may be amusing to the people who post them, about all they're going to do is irritate most people and divert a thread from its original discussion.

#7: Like it the way it is, dont change a dang thing.

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Yeah, I have one. STFU! With your 170+ IQ I assume you can figure out the acronym. Get a life! Even I am getting tired of this and I can take a lot.
I assume you put some thought into your post. That is really depressing.

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6: Soft rule to eliminate posts that do nothing other than correct spelling, syntax or grammar.* While these may be amusing to the people who post them, about all they're going to do is irritate most people and divert a thread from its original discussion.Comments?
Please don't take away the grammar and syntax help. My grammar and syntax have definitely improved since I started hanging around here. Our teacher may be annoying, but he does know English, and that ain't chopped liver.

Most of what gets said is opinion. But grammar and syntax you can take to the bank.

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Yeah, I have one. STFU! With your 170+ IQ I assume you can figure out the acronym. Get a life! Even I am getting tired of this and I can take a lot.
I assume you put some thought into your post. That is really depressing.

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I must have missed something. I voted for the Karma thing, not looking popular with others, though. But it's not that hard to ignore/gloss over posts if you want to. Maybe this board was a lot better in the past, I'm a relative newbie. Honestly this board has been great in my experience. I'm cool with things the way they are. If anyone has a problem with my posts, they can tell me to shove it, I'll do the same.
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My thoughts for what they are worth:

--The relevance of post counts is that it does a pretty good job of being a cultural barometer. Like it or not, the culture here is defined in large part by those who post frequently. I also really think that people don't post more simply to increase their post count. Those who posted under different names in the past or under guest didn't change their styles when they began posting under one name.

--I am not sure the proposals will do much to smooth things out. From time to time, people will rag on each other.

--I think serial posts are largely a matter of style. Some post all thoughts in one post and others in a separate post. Doesn't really bother me.

--Karma--I already commented in another thread that I will leave here and go dancing with HaHa if a Karma feature is instituted.

--Hijacks is a tough one. Easy to tolerate late in a thread's life, tougher when it happends immediately.

--No strong feelings on the locker room. I am married to a former seaman.

Ended up voting for no change.
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Maybe this board was a lot better in the past, I'm a relative newbie. Honestly this board has been great in my experience. I'm cool with things the way they are. If anyone has a problem with my posts, they can tell me to shove it, I'll do the same.
I found this board better in the past. In the past I saw more interesting posts/questions about the emotional challenges pre/post ER, finances, life lessons and philosophy.

I"m not sure what it is now.
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Voted for No Change. Don't really care much about all of it, and as Jimmy Johnson, former Dallas Cowboys Coach used to say, "Just tell me the rules. I'll play by the same rules everybody else does."

However, I am really against the karma one. I think that a group this diverse and spread out across the country (the world, actually) will have different opinions and occasional disagreements. So what? I've always considered this a worldwide fencepost. We're just shooting the breeze, right? Our opinions are like A-Hs. Everybody's got one.

This karma thing is going to ruin it, IMHO. You will form cliques, pronto, and there goes the board. Ever seen a clique at work? They suck.

So, puhleeze, just leave it the same. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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my only vote would be the button/option to have certain posters skipped over automatically. The whole "just don't read it" doesn't work for me because by the time I've scrolled past, the post is already read. *****' posts were more easily skippable since they were so long.
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Karma--I already commented in another thread that I will leave here and go dancing with HaHa if a Karma feature is instituted.
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One problem with Karma is that it is a sacrilege for humans to assign one another Karma. That is for God, or the Universe to do.

Having the arrogance to assign Karma to someone just might earn you some bad Karma of the real kind.

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As much as I like all these "rules," I would hope that we could do these things without being forced to do so.

I came to this forum to learn as much as I could from people that are smarter than I am.* When I saw an opportunity to make a contribution, I did.

There's nothing wrong with throwing in a joke once in a while.* But when we get caught up in a topic that is not even remotely associated with Early Retirement or Financial Independence, then we are disrespecting Dory and every member of this forum.* I plead guilty to some of this myself, but I will make a commitment to try to improve the quality of my posts, to stay focused on FIRE, and either to stay on topic, or to create a new topic.
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I'm guilty, too, but I think it's part of the fun to keep it light. Nonetheless, we have the "Other Topics" board for non-FIRE stuff. I think this thread served it's purpose, most would like to see things remain the same, most are willing to keep it pithy except where appropriate to deviate.

Edit: Plurality wants things the same. Between that and my "consonance dissonance" post I may be losing my tenuous grip on the English language.
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Actually 17 out of 40 voted 'no change', which isnt most. However there isnt much of a quorum to do anything differently that I can see.

Its probably unfortunate; for the one or two people who speak up and arent thrilled with something, a lot more will just pack their bags.
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Dory, BMJ, is an ignore feature unfeasible? I know you said somewhere else that it would be difficult, but if those who found particular person(s) remarks a waste/offensive, that would solve the problem right there.

Yes, again looking for a technical solution.
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