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Old 06-25-2010, 11:25 AM   #21
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I have slowly figured out that I'm more of a kid person than a cat or dog person. Luckily my kids are old enough to feed our one remaining cat. We just buy the food and flea collars and hope the cat lives out the rest of her natural life.

If you don't have kids, who's going to mow the grass when you are lazy?
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:44 PM   #23
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If you don't have kids, who's going to mow the grass when you are lazy?
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I heard recently that a study found both childless men & women at all age groups rated significantly happier than those with children. The drive to procreate must lie in something else - not happiness.
I can't comment on the "studies", but I think it would not be unexpected if the "drive" to have children were based on something other than happiness. That isn't how motivational states work. For one thing, happiness cannot really be predicted in advance. Once you initiate a desired pregnancy, you are on a long ride, which essentially only ends when you or the child or dies. Is the drive to achieve career prominance because you will be happier? Several posters have cited studies suggesting that career prominance will not make you happier, perhaps even less happy.

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My kids would love it!
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If you don't have kids, who's going to mow the grass when you are lazy?
The apt. bldg. maintenance staff.
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The apt. bldg. maintenance staff.
Uh-oh. Here comes "rent versus own" now....
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My route to ER was this: No kids, no debts. I knew since I was 20 years old I never wanted any kids of my own. But I like doing volunteer work with kids, especially when I get to "give them back" to their parents when I am done putting smiles on their faces.

Nearly 1 in 5 now? I hope this trend continues to 1 in 4, 1 in 3......the stigma is fading fast.

And in my co-op apartment complex (own my apartment outright - no debts), the building's maintenance staff and their outside contractors cut the grass and do all the other grounds maintenance work.
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You people have to pay building maintenance staff to mow grass? That's what kids are for.
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I didn't like kids when I was one. Never wanted or had any. Have lived with varying amounts of cats (down to 1).
Have been told I'm 'selfish' for not reproducing. I'm sure the world is poorer for one less messed up kid.
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Have been told I'm 'selfish' for not reproducing.
Many years ago, someone told me the same thing. Sometimes people choose to have children for selfish reasons. Sometimes people choose not to for unselfish reasons. Vice versa on both.

Oh, and some people think retiring early is selfish too:

Proposition: Early Retirement is Selfish
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Many years ago, someone told me the same thing. Sometimes people choose to have children for selfish reasons. Sometimes people choose not to for unselfish reasons. Vice versa on both.

Oh, and some people think retiring early is selfish too:

Proposition: Early Retirement is Selfish
I'm selfish doomed. I retired early and have no kids!
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I just made a poll on this. Kids or Not?
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Forgot to have kids, never saw it as a big deal, or felt any real "stigma" over not having them. Have heard a few snarky comments around "no kids, no bills" or "they have lots of time, they don't have kids" but always just considered the source- usually these comments come fromm the same folks who don't LBYM and are in hock up to their necks playing keep up with the Jones. It wouldn't have made any difference to their finances, they would be in the same position, with or without kids, IMO. As for their time, that is the choice they made...
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Many years ago, someone told me the same thing. Sometimes people choose to have children for selfish reasons. Sometimes people choose not to for unselfish reasons. Vice versa on both.

Oh, and some people think retiring early is selfish too:

Proposition: Early Retirement is Selfish
Oh yes. I have been condemned for being childfree & RE & not religious.
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Any comments from the "quiverfull" crowd?
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Oh yes. I have been condemned for being childfree & RE & not religious.
I have been bingoed (sometimes) for being childfree.

I have been envied for being retired at age 45.

I have been treated indifferently (thankfully) for being an atheist.
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Not me, I have better ways to waste time. Besides, all I keep thinking about is the opening scenes from Idiocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I wouldn't condemn anyone for their reproductive choice - as long as they keep it in the human family and it's not otherwise illegal, go for whatever you want. Or stay away from whatever you don't want. Except those people who got sterilized so they could "reduce their carbon footprint".
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I have been treated indifferently (thankfully) for being an atheist.
Although I am an unabashed and unashamed Christian, and although I know some folks "of the faith" think it's my responsibility to whack the Bible over everyone's head "convert" or preach it from the rooftops to everyone else, I can't and won't do that. I will happily share with those who ask, with those who are exploring and curious, with those whom I know to be receptive to listening... but I cringe every time I see someone aggressively trying to put their religion on others whether they want it or not. I'm tired of putting up with the reputation that brings. Some of these people need to read a little more of the gospels and a little less on the Old Testament vengeance and judgmentalism.

That concludes this threadjacking. Back to the original idea... I was pleasantly surprised when we moved to a small, conservative and fairly religious town that the attitude toward us not having children is mostly a non-issue, and at most a curiosity.
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Oh yes. I have been condemned for being childfree & RE & not religious.
You offered to donate your bone marrow to someone you don't know, are in the 20 gallon club for blood donations and are kind to animals. The world could use more people like you.
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