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Old 05-29-2007, 05:23 AM   #1
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Cindy Sheehan is headed home.

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"I have tried every since he died to make his sacrifice meaningful," she wrote. "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives.


Boy ain't that the truth.
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A quote from her...

"I have tried every since he died to make his sacrifice meaningful," she wrote. "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives.

Boy ain't that the truth.
Not a big Cindy fan, but she has a right to state her case. Taking shots at the American people isn't a very smart idea, she should keep her venom for the politicians.........

What about the other 3000+ soldiers who have died, don't they matter too?? :confused::confused:
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I'm also not a big Cindy Sheehan fan .It's terrible to lose a child not matter what the circumstances but don't turn it into a media circus.
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I feel mixed about Cindy herself, but I do agree with that "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months" part.

When I was home for the holidays last year (rural PA, south-east of Pittsburgh), one of my younger cousins (about 14) was talking about the importance of voting, & how she *always* does it, because she wants her voice to be heard. I was confused, & asked her what she was voting for (after saying how great I thought it was that she took voting seriously). Her response: American Idol. that's what she votes for. I don't think she cares about anything other than entertainment.
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I feel mixed about Cindy herself, but I do agree with that "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months" part.

When I was home for the holidays last year (rural PA, south-east of Pittsburgh), one of my younger cousins (about 14) was talking about the importance of voting, & how she *always* does it, because she wants her voice to be heard. I was confused, & asked her what she was voting for (after saying how great I thought it was that she took voting seriously). Her response: American Idol. that's what she votes for. I don't think she cares about anything other than entertainment.
I think most Americans feel they have no input into the policy the govt. makes anyway.

LONG AGO, I knew I had little ability to influence govt policy by myself, but I still vote and e-mail my Senator when they piss me off, etc.

Too bad they don't do text message voting for Congressmen............
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A quote from her...

"... a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months ...".


Boy ain't that the truth.
What makes that 'truthful'? I don't see any connection at all. There are lots of votes for AI because it is easy, there is no age or registration limits, you can vote multiple times, and the consequences are pretty insignificant. It doesn't take a lot of research or mental anguish to decide which way to vote. Like one better than the other - vote away!

I'm sorry for anyone that has lost someone close to them. But I fail to see that this 'American Idol' statement shines any light on the issue.

You could just as easily say more Americans are concerned about whether they order Pepsi/Coke with their meal - meaningless comparison. If she can't come up with meaningful statements, then IMO, it weakens whatever it is she is trying to say.

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I think most Americans feel they have no input into the policy the govt. makes anyway.
I feel that way a lot of the time too. What I'm talking about is more the eye-rolling "I can't believe you waste any time with that kind of crap" opinion that my cousin (& her parents have). The idea of being more than vaguely aware of politics (especially international ones) is completely beyond them. It always evokes this eye-rolling, condescending response.

Even though I feel helpless, I vote & I email, & I try to voice my opinion about issues that are important to me (like the recent FDA proposal to label certain irradiated foods as simply 'pasteurized' instead of irradiated). hell, I actually have issues that are important to me, passe as that may be to most people.
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Sounds like the poor woman has finally realized that the far left has used her as a pointman (pointwoman?) for so long that she tired of all of the BS and wants out. I wonder who will be tapped as the replacement for Cindy?
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"I have tried every since he died to make his sacrifice meaningful," she wrote. "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives."

Wow! So now her every effort was to make her son's death meaningful?

It seemed quite the opposit to me. Actually it seemed quite the opposit to a LOT of families that have lost loved ones in this war, if you care to recall back to when she first found notariety by presuming to build protest grave yards with the names of other family's sons and daughters.

And now we are a contemptible people that care more for American Idol than our dead? I don't see it that way at all. Looks to me like the people on both sides of the situation care very MUCH about it. If we didn't... why would it be such a divisive issue?

Do you think it could POSSIBLY be that we just care less about... Cindy Sheehan... than American Idol. Could it be that this is the real source of her contempt, that she finally found out all this wasn't really about her?
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Do you think it could POSSIBLY be that we just care less about... Cindy Sheehan...
That's the way I see it. Right from the get go, I thought she was a flake.....still do! Let me recall here....hmmm, oh yeah, her son joined the military....voluntarily. As I understand it, if you're in the military, there may be people from some other country that really don't like you all that much, and they may express their displeasure by trying to kill you. Sometimes, they succeed. In her son's case, they succeeded. Her son most likely understood those consequences, and she probably did also.

So I never quite bought her complaining.

It's been long enough ago, that I don't recall all the details about her gripes. But wasn't part of it that (in her opinion) her son had joined the military for the educational benefits, and not for the "hey, there shooting at me!" part of it? Doesn't that kinda play into the "risk/return" deal?

Now if I recall back when I was much younger, and getting ready to graduate high school, I had the choice to join the military....and came VERY close to it! (I did 4 years in the AFJROTC, and 2 years in another military program in HS) But just days before I was going down to sign the papers at the Navy recruiter's office, I had a job offer that looked better. I took it.....and FIRE'd 8 weeks ago! The only part of joining the Navy that didn't really float my boat, was the fact that at some point in time, some wacko foreigner might try to end my career....prematurely and permanently!

If someone joins the military voluntarily...whether to serve our fine country (along with any other side benefits that may go along with that)....or joins up just for the benefits......they have to be aware of, and remember, "some wacko foreigner might try to end (their) career....prematurely and permanently"

My deepest thanks to Cindy's son, as well as all of America's sons and daughters, who have served our country and paid the ultimate price for our freedom, and the freedom of others. And to Cindy, I'm sorry you lost your son, but please, sit down and shut-up....for that I thank you!
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Good riddance to a woman whom I consider to be one of the biggest fools in the country. She was used and abused by every one of America's enemies (including the Venezuelan dictator) and never figured that out for herself. Now that she's no longer "the flavor of the month" she wants to take all her marbles and run home. Good deal.

I understand her grief and I admire her son greatly for volunteering to go on the mission on which he lost his life despite the fact that there was no real reason for him to go except to participate in the rescue of some of his fellow soldiers who were in grave danger. But this woman is a fraud...or a fool...and I'm not sure which is worse in this case.
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Do you think it could POSSIBLY be that we just care less about... Cindy Sheehan... than American Idol. Could it be that this is the real source of her contempt, that she finally found out all this wasn't really about her?
Nicely said.
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newguy888..... are the above responses what you were looking for?

Not much support seen for Cindy Sheehan.

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I agree with Sam Houston...

Also... her fame came in that she wanted to 'talk' with the Prez... well, as we can see, that is not what she wanted to do... she wanted to lecture him... if she had anything to say, she would have said it...

I do feel for her losing her son, and honor his sacrifice.... I just wish that we would stop sacrificing so many for not much benefit... if we sacrifice, let's do it against the really bad guys...
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awww geez folks, the poor lady lost her son...i don't know what she was doing before he was killed. but perhaps like most americans, she didn't take the war to heart so much - then blam-o, son is killed - and everything on the news makes you furious - and she tries to do something about it.

sure she was used by a lot of groups - i blame the groups more than i blame her...she was in over her head and naive- but she sure gave up so much because she was grieving over her son and it's easier to dive passionately into something else than just deal with the loss.

it would be hard for me to sit by and watch the news, the spinola coming out of DC and news channels, or even get a laugh out of what john stewart was saying since it would be hard to find it funny if i lost one of my kids...she thought others would feel her pain, but apparently her actions had much the opposite affect as she tried too hard for others to see what only another mom might understand who had their kid killed in a terrible situation that seems wrought with abuse and scandal...
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Actually, I'm going to miss Cindy on the news. Without any of the advantages of family money or power, without any access to government intelligence reports, she clearly understood the Iraq invasion fiasco more than W does even today. Yeah, she made Bush and Cheny look like the lying boobs they are. Gotta love that.
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Without any of the advantages of family money or power, without any access to government intelligence reports, she clearly understood the Iraq invasion fiasco more than W does even today. Yeah, she made Bush and Cheny look like the lying boobs they are. Gotta love that.
That's a very good point.
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Yeah, she made Bush and Cheny look like the lying boobs they are. Gotta love that.
I don't think they really needed her help to look that way! They do a pretty good job on their own!
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Actually, I'm going to miss Cindy on the news. Without any of the advantages of family money or power, without any access to government intelligence reports, she clearly understood the Iraq invasion fiasco more than W does even today. Yeah, she made Bush and Cheny look like the lying boobs they are. Gotta love that.
Her grief was the catalyst, but it made her vulnerable. And although she did something about it, she got used by the system.
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Losing your life, or losing a child, is certainly the ultimate sacrifice, particularly if it's for a cause of dubious benefit/utility...

That doesn't mean that you have a clue about politics, foreign policy, or public relations...
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