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Old 06-09-2008, 07:49 PM   #21
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Maybe it was a lady cop?

It could have been. ....
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:05 PM   #22
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Just pay it, I don't think there is much of a defense. It depends on the state but usually it is not a moving violation so there will be no points on your license and I don't think it will affect your insurance.
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Many years ago a woman (who I worked with prior to retiring) and her husband were hit by a driver you crossed into oncoming traffic and the collision put them sliding down the highway on their roof-top. They were driving a Subaru Brat with a sun-roof. They were extracted from their vehicle still hanging from their seatbelts. If it were not for the seatbelts, they would have had their heads scraping asphalt.

While I do not like laws to protect people against themselves (such as seatbelts and helmets), it is insane not to use devices that can save servere injury or death.
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I fully support your decision to end your life by whatever means you feel best. However, the cops disagree with me. And, frankly, if you were to do a poor job of it and force my health insurance costs to go up, then I'd be unhappy with you too. So, click it or ticket.
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I've written a stack of motor vehicle accident reports several inches thick. It got to the point that I could look at the wrecked car(s) and the people who were inside them and tell with almost certainty who was and who wasn't wearing a seat belt based on their injuries and/or lack of them.

Look elsewhere for sympathy.
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Is anyone able to suggest any reason for not using a seat belt that makes sense?
Or for not wearing a helmet when on a moving motorcycle (or similar device).
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:42 AM   #27
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I got pulled over on I45 close to downtown Houston last week and was given a citation for not wearing my seat belt.

What are my options? Anyone has experience with this before? Especially in Houston.

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Even as a somewhat-libertarian I'm pretty much OK with seatbealt laws as long as the fine/sanction is reasonable.

I'm not so sure about helmet laws - it's a different thing from seatbelts if you ask me. (why don't we require auto drivers to wear helmets? They'd be safer, no? - but that'll never happen!)

I'm curious, how much was the ticket?

Seems to me many governmental fines & fees (esp. traffic) have really gotten out of hand and oppressive (& I've not had any kind of ticket since I can't remember when). $200 fines for minor over-the-speed limit violations are out-of-line IMO.

I think an adult seatbelt violation should be about $25 - that's enough for the State to get the point across to the driver without trying to make a big "profit" out of it - maybe a severe $200 if it's a kid unbuckled/no car seat.
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driving in convertibles for so many years, i've been wearing a seat belt since before it was mandatory. plus, with my drinking and driving, you can't be too safe.
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Sam, why is it that you don't wear it? Do you never wear it?
I simply forgot to that day.

What bothers me is not the ticket, but the enforcement (as opposed to encouragement) of the stupid law. But judging from most the responses here, I guess people like to be told how to live their live.

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You've been nailed by the revenue generation team. I personally feel naked without a seatbelt and I can't imagine NOT wearing one, but I resent the nanny state making it illegal for revenue generation purposes.

"Click it or ticket?" Screw that.
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I guess people like to be told how to live their live.

Thanks all for your inputs.
As I said, I'm happy to let anyone do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect me. If you could ensure a fatality in a motorcycle accident by not wearing a helmet, then I'd be all for not forcing anyone to wear one... it's the ones that turn themselves into vegetables that I'm not a fan of.

The rise of click it or ticket is interesting... I remember how it started that they would give you a warning if they pulled you over for another infraction and saw you weren't wearing one. Then they could cite you for it but they still couldn't pull you over for it. Now they can pull you over for it. It's a real-time reminder of how easy it is to give up a little freedom here and there over time.
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Because it may save your life?

Remembered seeing this on the news. Here's the article:

7online.com: Man gets seatbelt ticket, survives crash 5/27/08

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Forgetting to buckle your seatbelt.

Isn't that like forgetting to put on your pants?
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Forgetting to buckle your seatbelt.

Isn't that like forgetting to put on your pants?
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I simply forgot to that day.

What bothers me is not the ticket, but the enforcement (as opposed to encouragement) of the stupid law. But judging from most the responses here, I guess people like to be told how to live their live.

Thanks all for your inputs.
You could start an anti-seat belt movement to repeal the law, I guess.
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I simply forgot to that day.

What bothers me is not the ticket, but the enforcement (as opposed to encouragement) of the stupid law. But judging from most the responses here, I guess people like to be told how to live their live.

Thanks all for your inputs.
There is a valid argument that failure to wear a seat belt does affect other people. Their car and medical insurance rates are higher and there is the lost productivity at work, which affects their employer and the people who have to pick up the injured person's slack.
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When Maryland initially enacted seatbelt laws, the citizens were "promised" by politicians that it will "never be a primary offense". Meaning you could not be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. Some years ago under whatever guise it was modified to be a primary traffic offense. So they lied. Shocking! Politicians, I mean lawmakers lie? Who would have thunk it. It is too good of a money maker.

As for not wearing seat belt and stayin alive a personal saga: while in the Army driving an M151 jeep, late at night, with only blackout lights on a dirt road during FTX (field training exercise for non-Army) encountered a deuce and half oncoming. Ditto on the lighting, I swerved hit embankment landed upside down. The truck did not stop, just drove on. Recall laying across passenger seat mid flight.

Upon landing after a few moments to regain normal breathing, crawled out from under jeep. The damage, scraped toe of my spit- shined jump boots.
Walked a 1/2 mile to an artillery unit, woke up CO, asked to get a tank retriever, they did not have tow trucks, which he gladly authorized. Wanted to know who the driver was, I just pointed to my chest. The retriever crane picked up jeep, flipped it right side up,the crew hammered out bent tie rod. Bent broken windshield onto hood, I was back on the road.

No, I do not advocate against seat belts, in fact I wear it, helmet too on Honda.
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Or for not wearing a helmet when on a moving motorcycle (or similar device).
I always wear a helmet while riding my Harley. If they made helmets for butts, I'd have one of those too.
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I always wear a helmet while riding my Harley. If they made helmets for butts, I'd have one of those too.
You think you could get him to wear it?
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