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Old 07-29-2011, 08:36 AM   #41
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Can you give us the names and academic affiliations of one (1) of these meteorologists ?

Oh, and do you know the difference between a meteorlogist and a climatologist? It's much the same as the difference between weather and climate. If that's too hard: it's like the difference between the Dow and the economy.

Interesting article that kind of supports what he said...

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Yahoo! News


"In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth's atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth's atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict"
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Whatever credibility that article may have is severely damaged by the author's repeated use of the term "alarmist". I smell bias...
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I love the smell of bias in the morning...

Granted, MMGW may be true, and there may still be "alarmists" exaggerating the severity, consequences, and necessary reactions to it.
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All that the press release (and the actual scientific paper) tells us, is that measuring the impact of greenhouse gases is hard. It doesn't tell us anything about the underlying model.

It's characteristic of deniers (in any field) to sieze on any publication which remotely begins to slightly suggest that <thing which they don't like> might not be exactly as it's been described (such description being, typically, the media's approximation rather than the factual position anyway) totally debunks whetever it is that they are ideologically opposed to; whereas the 99% of scientific papers or serious enquiries which confirm <thing which they don't like> are all authored by dishonest shills in the pay of the evil establishment. Both right and left are guilty of this. On the right you have denialists of MMGW and evolution; on the left, vaccine denial and (mostly on the left) alt-med; and, wrapping around the back where the far left tends to meet the far right, 9/11 conspiracists and "zOMG Bilderberg lizards!!" types.
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The author is from a libertarian think tank. I agree that the resort to tricky and misleading language is very irritating. In addition to the circularity of the adjective "alarmist", assuming the conclusion the author is arguing, there's its ambiguity between an appositive interpretation (the computer programs happen to be alarmist) and a restrictive interpretation (computer programs which are alarmist are the only ones being referred to). Facts supposedly refuting the previous studies are called "objective NASA satellite data", implying the other studies used subjective data, and are also called "real-world facts", as though, previously, imaginary facts were used.
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...We all know that we have wasted many billions on ethanol with little results...
Well we did produce lots of corn and increase the price WW. We also stimulated the use of too much HFCS in everything we eat.
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The author is from a libertarian think tank. I agree that the resort to tricky and misleading language is very irritating.
I really want to agree with the libertarian point of view on some issues, but it seems that their dedication of objectivity and scientific reason stops at climate change.
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I really want to agree with the libertarian point of view, but it seems that their dedication of objectivity and scientific reason stops at climate change.
That's a big "their." There's not much of a libertarian "community" to speak of, and if there were, I doubt there would be consensus on climate change/global warming/we-don't-think-we-like-this,-whatever-it-is-and-whatever-is-causing-it,-so-spend-lots-of-resources-to-make-it-stop-just-in-case.
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