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Old 06-23-2011, 12:03 AM   #41
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HaHa what is your opinion of the Sig Sauer? Brother sent me his P226 thru a FFL dealer which cost $30 to process.

It's currently locked up until I can obtain some training.
It's a really excellent gun. Needs a bit more familiarity and training than a Glock, but a really good gun. I don't remember which ones, but the Sig is an issue gun with some agencies.

See how little muzzle jump this shooter has to deal with? Firing Sig Sauer P226 9mm Pistol - Bing Videos

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Old 06-23-2011, 12:27 AM   #42
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HaHa, interestingly, I also have a Sig 226, a Glock 19 and 23. (9mm all). I guess we think alike on arms. I liked the smooth action so much on the Sig that I had the Glock 19 trigger replaced to be a lighter, smoother action, yesterday. The heavy trigger pulled my aim slightly and I like hitting exactly what I am aiming at. At least now, there's now excuse.

I really like shooting the SigSauer. It is a very nice gun IMO. Excellent choice!
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Just curious: I was under the impression that a revolver was more likely to fire reliably and woud probably be safer/less prone to accidental discharge. Disagree? Why?
Reliability: In general, revolvers are more reliable. That's just a by-product of the design. If a revolver fails to fire for any reason, you just squeeze the trigger again and a fresh round is chambered and ready to fire. With autoloaders, there's lots more to go wrong: failure to feed, failure to extract, etc. In real-world situations, the slide can get blocked by clothing, etc and then a new round may not be picked up. The actions needed to clear the weapon and get it ready to fire again are fairly simple and quick (in most cases), but it's not as simple as simply squeezing the trigger again. Still, a well maintained auto with ammunition it "likes" can often fire hundreds of rounds without a single problem.

Safety: Both types of sidearms have different safety considerations. In a modern weapon with good design (e.g a firing pin block, etc) both styles are very safe. I was taught to keep an empty chamber in the firing position in a revolver, which is a very safe way to carry it (the only way it can go "bang" is if the trigger is pulled ), and most modern autoloaders are nearly as safe.

Since this thread is about concealed carry: There are a lot of very good options now for very concealable weapons, and those who haven't stepped into a gun store in a few years will likely be pleasantly surprised. The Ruger LCP and similar .380 caliber autoloaders are well made, reliable, and appear very easy to "live with" on a daily basis. There are also a lot of fans of the lightweight .38 caliber revolvers and they pack more punch than the .380 autos, but they are heavier and fatter. Because all of these weapons are light, the shooter experiences more recoil. Again, that's just physics. Haha's point about shooting a gun a lot before purchasing is a good one: Most folks don't like to go to the range and fire a lot of rounds through these smaller weapons--the hand begins to sting/ache after awhile. If it is bothersome enough to discourage regular practice, or cause the shooter to aim poorly due to anticipation of the recoil, then a heavier gun/lighter round, different grips, or different technique should be considered.
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A word of warning. When I retired from Megacorp in 2007, company policy was that anyone who was discovered with a gun on his person while on the company clock would be terminated immmediately. If you were discovered with a gun in your personal car in a company owned parking lot, likewise. Employees were encouraged to rat on each other. Most Megacorps have the same policy.

When I began work at Megacorp in the 1960's we often brought guns to the office to show and to buy/sell/trade. There was a world-class gunstore in the next block and we would bring our treasures from the store to the office to show to our co-workers.

Times have certainly changed.
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A word of warning. When I retired from Megacorp in 2007, company policy was that anyone who was discovered with a gun on his person while on the company clock would be terminated immmediately. If you were discovered with a gun in your personal car in a company owned parking lot, likewise. Employees were encouraged to rat on each other. Most Megacorps have the same policy.

When I began work at Megacorp in the 1960's we often brought guns to the office to show and to buy/sell/trade. There was a world-class gunstore in the next block and we would bring our treasures from the store to the office to show to our co-workers.

Times have certainly changed.
Likewise, when I was in high school we brought our .22s to class so we could get out into the squirrel woods after last bell.

There weren't so many crazies around then. We were crazy all right, but in a predictable traditional way.

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Since this thread is about concealed carry:
Is it Sam? I thought it was about gun prices.

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It looks like it will soon become legal to carry a concealed weapon in Wisconsin. I'm not interested in debating whether it should be legal or not. I'm just wondering if the economics majors in the forum could give their opinion on whether or not the new law will increase or decrease the cost of a handgun.
Looks like the hog-calling contestants might be warming up in the wings...
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Why are you mods (and ex-mods) so worried about the word "gun"? This is one of the most civil threads I've read on this forum in a fairly long time? Cost, concealed carry, recommendations, it's all in the OP as well as the conversation. And it's been presented in a very educational and non-threatening way. Thanks, commenters, I've been enoying it.
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Why are you mods (and ex-mods) so worried about the word "gun"?
Because we don't want to see anyone "shoot their eye out"?

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This is one of the most civil threads I've read on this forum in a fairly long time? Cost, concealed carry, recommendations, it's all in the OP as well as the conversation. And it's been presented in a very educational and non-threatening way. Thanks, commenters, I've been enoying it.
I wonder if you'd be able to say that - if this thread would have become another "gun rights" debate - had the mods remained silent each time the conversation started drifting away from the thread topic?
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Those are good (not great) ammo prices. You can do much better with mail order, for example. But ammo cost is only a consideration if you do a lot of shooting. The OP asked about gun prices.
Unless planning to buy multiple "guns", I would think ammo prices would be more pertinent to future costs. Shooting two boxes of 9mm ammo would cost maybe $20-$25, plus range fees, so not a budget killer. And if you don't plan on shooting regularly, do us all a favor and don't purchase a firearm...
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"guns"?
My nephew, at the age of two, made my sister crazy - she was raising him in a no guns/no culture of violence way and he would make "guns" out of anything, including diagonally sliced sandwiches. "Poom poom" he'd say. Cheapest "gun" I've ever seen.

I reload .45 and the lead is spendy, but finding an appropriate spot for shooting is more difficult - fewer and fewer deserted rock quarries that are both far enough out and close enough in
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I have a few SIGs and they are great guns (239 SAS with DAK trigger system). My current favorite is the Springfield XD. Nice little gun, with a lot of safety features, and its pretty affordable. I carry the XD subcompact in 9mm in a COMP-TAC holster. Check out COMP-TAC, the holster has interchangeable bodies so you can use it for different guns. Pretty slick.

I got my FFL back in 1995 or 1996 and the price of guns has gone thru the roof since then. Ammo is crazy expensive as well. I see plenty of $600+ guns for sale, and that is dealer cost!

You should consider joing a gun rights organization as well. Doesn't have to be the NRA, there is also Gun owners of America, etc. NRA offers some pretty good firearm safety training.
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Looks like i'll be getting a Glock 17 gen4. Thanks for the help everyone
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