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A person I know owned a car with her boyfriend. The title was only in her name because he had DUIs. They split up. He disappeared with the car and its title. Now he is somewhere parts unknown, he got a ticket and she is getting chased to pay the ticket. She doesn't want the stinking car.

The police would not take a stolen car report because she does not have the title. She can't get a duplicate title (to report it stolen) because she does not know the VIN.

Sounds like I/she should talk to a lawyer.

Any ideas anyone? This is Wisconsin I am talking about.
Doesn't she have any paperwork when she agreed to put the loan in her name? If she goes to the dealer she bought it from, they can drag it out of her files.

The Wisconsin DMV is NOT helpful.........

I thought you WERE a lawyer??
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Leonidas, what you say seems spot on and consistent with what I am running into.

Thanks all, I'll plug away.

I think maybe the best thing to do is plug away at finding the ex. I think we can find his mother and she should be able to get him a message.
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As a person with 8 years in the auto financing industry, and experience dealing with vehicle titles on new point-of-sale contracts, I find some of the info provided by the OP in this thread to be a bit hard to believe. Maybe she's not giving you all of the information, or is not working on this problem as thoroughly as you are.

Without a release signed on the title, the boyfriend could not have transferred title into his name. Therefore the current title, as well as the current registration, are both in the female's name. With those two documentation pieces in place, there's no way the state of Wisconsin DMV will not provide her with any assistance. She has 100% legal right of ownership. There's no grey lines here. At worst, the state may require a notarized written request to receive a copy of the registration, and charge a small fee.

A state DMV is not going to deny the request of information to a person who, in every legal sense, retains unequivocal legal ownership of a specific vehicle.
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As a person with 8 years in the auto financing industry, and experience dealing with vehicle titles on new point-of-sale contracts, I find some of the info provided by the OP in this thread to be a bit hard to believe.
Oh boy. A used car guy questioning the veracity of a lawyer. Where else but this forum can you get so much for your entertainment dollar?
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Oh boy. A used car guy questioning the veracity of a lawyer. Where else but this forum can you get so much for your entertainment dollar?
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As a person with 8 years in the auto financing industry, and experience dealing with vehicle titles on new point-of-sale contracts, I find some of the info provided by the OP in this thread to be a bit hard to believe. Maybe she's not giving you all of the information, or is not working on this problem as thoroughly as you are.

Without a release signed on the title, the boyfriend could not have transferred title into his name. Therefore the current title, as well as the current registration, are both in the female's name. With those two documentation pieces in place, there's no way the state of Wisconsin DMV will not provide her with any assistance. She has 100% legal right of ownership. There's no grey lines here. At worst, the state may require a notarized written request to receive a copy of the registration, and charge a small fee.

A state DMV is not going to deny the request of information to a person who, in every legal sense, retains unequivocal legal ownership of a specific vehicle.
As others in Wisconsin can attest, the Wisconsin DMV is not very friendly. But your idea about requesting a copy of the registration is a good one. I had been working to get a duplicate title. I'll ask about a copy of the registration.
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I can't say I've ever shared the same experience with a difficult Wisconsin DMV, however it's possible that consumers use a different avenue of communication in regards to solving problems.

Good luck getting the registration. Shouldn't be difficult.
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The most amazing thing to me in this thread is that some young lady would share her bed and automobile with a loser. I am willing to bet that while Martha is helping her clean up the mess from the last relationship the young lady is already involved in the next one.
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The most amazing thing to me in this thread is that some young lady would share her bed and automobile with a loser.
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Well Grouchy old Jeff, you must have lived a sheltered life. With no daughters or nieces. Or high school GFs who took to dating lowriders.

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Hey Jeff, lots of assumptions and unknowns in your post.

For example, "young" lady? For all we know she's in her 60's...not that there is anything wrong with that.
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...I know all about how things work in the world today but that is no reason for everyone to accept it and pretend it is okay.
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....You are right but the age of the lady in question makes no difference. It just sounded to me like the lady that Martha is trying to help is the type who make their own problems. If I am wrong Martha can say so.
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The world is not a simple world and the story is not a simple story. I figured that I would get a few "she is getting what she deserves" posts.
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The world is not a simple world and the story is not a simple story. I figured that I would get a few "she is getting what she deserves" posts.
Martha, to some people the world is always simple, and stories are always finished off with""Nuff said".

Maybe they wear simplifying goggles.

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My SO has a good friend she went to nursing school with who puts herself in numerous poorly-rationalized relationships. My SO and I don't particularly like it, but it doesn't affect us one way or the other. We don't lend her money or go out of our way to support her in these endeavors but if she were in any serious trouble I'm sure we'd lend all the moral support possible or anything else within reason (a ride, a place to stay for a single night, maybe two tops).

She recently got into another relationship with a person who she spends most of their time together inebriated. Supposedly it's serious, but the one time I saw them together I didn't even see them remotely affectionate towards one another. It looks like another recipe for disaster.

We try to steer her away from the people she generally dates but it doesn't work much so we've given up. I don't know what it is that causes people to constantly reach for destructive relationships.

With all that said, it's entirely possible this was a one-time type of deal for the OP's friend and normally she makes better judgements. Either way it's not fair to rush to such strong conclusions without knowing the person whatsoever. Everyone is entitled to making a mistake and it's possible this guy was her first major one.
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Perhaps there is a legal mechanism wherein she can simply abandon ownership interest in the vehicle?
When you do that in Hawaii, you fill out a form and send it into the DMV.

Unfortunately it's a perforated form attached to the car's title, and it's partially pre-formatted with the VIN. There are sad stories around here about people selling their car and handing over the title without keeping their DMV notification part of it, and then a few months later the new owner's traffic tickets (or other police work) end up on the seller's record... even bench warrants.

Hawaii police aren't quite as enthused as those in Leo's neighborhood, for probably the same reasons involving extended family disputes. But at least our local cars tend to stay on the island.

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As a person with 8 years in the auto financing industry, and experience dealing with vehicle titles on new point-of-sale contracts, I find some of the info provided by the OP in this thread to be a bit hard to believe. Maybe she's not giving you all of the information, or is not working on this problem as thoroughly as you are.
Boy, Dave, you're getting off to quite a good start on this board. Are you implying that you know Martha well enough to question her veracity, or that you don't expect moderators to tell the truth, or just that she has so few posts here that she might not be known well enough to be trusted?

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Either way it's not fair to rush to such strong conclusions without knowing the person whatsoever.
Hey, that seems like good advice...
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This is strange, very strange. I took a number of stolen car reports in which the person didn't have the VIN and easily obtained it from Maryland's Motor Vehicle Administration with a phone call. Even in the late 70's they had the ability to list "vehicles owned by [name]" and the listing of course included the VIN.
Every state is a little different, I remember that there were a couple of states we couldn't even get registration information from (Hawaii and Pennsylvania) over the computer. Before the state of Texas gave us the ability to buy alias license plates for our undercover cars any confiscated plates from either of those two states were highly sought after by anyone working UC.

It's been a few years since I was in the stolen car business, but I remember that owner name fields in most states were usually just a free form text entry, as opposed to formated searchable fields like VIN and LP.

The quality control over name entries was non-existent as well. A little old lady came into the office one day with a question about her title. She said she thought there was a mistake, she said "my name is wrong". So I looked at it and saw that the registered owner was identified as "F*&k You Pelton". I knew Pelton was a title clerk at the county and could only guess that one of his co-workers had decided to play a joke on him while he was away from his computer.
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She could try calling Wisconsin's vehicle registration agency and contact an investigator. I would think they employ investigators - Maryland and WV do - as the shenanigans that go on with vehicle registrations are legion, although it can be a bear to actually reach one as they are VERY busy people. Reaching the right person will result in having the information in a few keystrokes.
That's something I didn't think of. Texas doesn't, or didn't anyway, have much of an investigative function in its DMV. They usually just sent anything suspicious to the appropriate police agency. Again, Wisconsin might be different.
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Also try contacting the Lt or station commander at the police station or state police. To simply report a stolen car should not be that hard.
Even better still, if the agency is in a big city it probably has a unit solely dedicated to auto theft. If so, I would call there and ask to speak to a supervisor.
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the registered owner was identified as "F*&k You Pelton".
Hilarious. I remember a story about someone who told off a telemarketer and ended up getting a few thousand pieces of junk mail addressed to "@#%$@ing ^@@^$head jack@&^@" followed by his last name...
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seems there should be some way of simply disowning something. you know, like how people do with other people. suppose you had a $500 junker which got towed from a no parking zone. the tow company has it for a few days while you are trying to get your act together and then legitimately charges you $600 storage fees, couldn't you just walk away from it at least as easily as people seem to be able to walk away from their mortgages?
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seems there should be some way of simply disowning something. you know, like how people do with other people. suppose you had a $500 junker which got towed from a no parking zone. the tow company has it for a few days while you are trying to get your act together and then legitimately charges you $600 storage fees, couldn't you just walk away from it at least as easily as people seem to be able to walk away from their mortgages?
With the continued proviso that things are different in every state, in general this is true. But the difference between what you're describing and the situation Martha's friend finds herself in, is that the towing company and storage lot have a legal claim against the owner of the vehicle (towing and storage charges). After a specified period of time they can file a lien against the car for the money owed and then follow the normal course of law to enforce the lien, gain title and then sell the car to recoup their loss.
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