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Old 08-21-2008, 05:12 PM   #61
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Boy, Dave, you're getting off to quite a good start on this board. Are you implying that you know Martha well enough to question her veracity, or that you don't expect moderators to tell the truth, or just that she has so few posts here that she might not be known well enough to be trusted?
I'm not questioning Martha or her integrity. My lack of belief in the information she's providing is not in the sense that I find her lying, but in the sense that I've never experienced anything even remotely similar to what she says her friend is going through in relation to the Wisconsin DMV, or any others for that matter, when everything legal is in its correct place.

I speak from experience in dealing with not just Wisconsin's DMV, but at least 20 more across the country, and the only DMV I've even remotely found to be difficult to get information and paperwork from is Massachusetts, due to an excessive amount of red tape.

There is no debate in this issue as to who holds 100% unequivocal ownership of that vehicle unless there's some information not being completely revealed (and that may be entirely because her friend has not made her aware of it). Paperwork exists to gets lost, and if her DMV is telling her they won't provide her with the documentation necessary to file a stolen vehicle report on a vehicle she obviously owns I'd get a lawyer to send a demand letter. You can't deny legal rights to an owner.
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he got a ticket and she is getting chased to pay the ticket.
What kind of violation was it, and how much to pay the ticket?

I know the basic issue must be resolved, but if it's a $40 ticket, perhaps paying it (anonymously?) and then pursuing the underlying problem at a less stressful pace might be a good idea.
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Sounds to me like incompetent police......

Say you come out of a store... and your car is GONE... you call the police and they come to you...

YOU "Officer, my car was stolen"

OFF "Can you produce a title showing you actually owned this alleged car?"

YOU "No, since I do not have a car to get home. And anyway, I keep the titles in my safe deposit box and the bank is closed"

Off "Well, then how do we know that there was a car, and if there was one how do we know it was stolen. Do you think we can take your WORD for a serious crime like this?"

I know in Texas the police can look online to see who owned what vehicle...
TeaxasProud, this case is much different than what you describe. I wouldn't go calling those police 'incompetent', maybe they just have other priorities?

It is a very different thing when the car is stolen and you *do not* report it right away. But then decide to talk to the police about it only after that car is accumulating tickets. I think it is reasonable for the police to be thinking, hmmm, this was not a big priority for you, why should it be for me? It's a pretty safe assumption that the police do not have unlimited resources, so that would probably be a pretty good judgment call on their part. Not ideal, but we are dealing with reality here.

I wouldn't go as far as Martha's expectations of comments such as 'she is getting what she deserves' , but in general, people will get more help when they have demonstrated that they are trying to help themselves first. And (for probably a slew of complex reasons), that was not done here. Maybe she does not 'deserve it', but she shouldn't really be too surprised that the police are not jumping through hoops on this.

I hope things work out for her, and I hope she learns that you just need to deal with some things in a timely fashion, or they will come back to bite you.

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What kind of violation was it, and how much to pay the ticket?

I know the basic issue must be resolved, but if it's a $40 ticket, perhaps paying it (anonymously?) and then pursuing the underlying problem at a less stressful pace might be a good idea.
There could be a bunch of tickets finding their way through the mail as we speak. I do kinda think she has to get to the root of it. Sooner than later.

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Its the cheese.

You can tell you're in trouble when trying to deal with the Mass. DMV. Because they go out of their way to call it the "registry of motor vehicles" instead of the "department of motor vehicles". When you cant even bring yourself to call your organization by the same name that the other states do, you're probably going to be troublesome in other aspects as well.
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Yeah we get occasionally audited by the Massachusetts Department of Financial Services and they're even more irritating than their DMV is. We've actually stopped doing business in that state because it's such a pain in the rear dealing with their government agencies. It's not worth the amount of manhours we have to invest.
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I'm having trouble with this ticket thing. Must've been a violation caused by the vehicle: no inspection, no insurance, no tags, light out... As someone pointed out earlier, moving violation tickets are usually issued to the driver. Maybe, though, you can pay the ticket, giving you a chance to see the location where it was issued, which might give a clue to the perp's BF's whereabouts.
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Your friend may have the VIN on maintenance receipts for the car.
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Good idea. If they ever took it to the dealer for service (okay, that sounds like a stretch) they'd have the VIN on file.
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Even my local (non-dealer) repair shop has my VIN on my oil change receipts
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You folks have lot of good ideas. Thanks. People who don't have insurance don't take their cars to dealers for servicing and whatever servicing is done is done in a friends backyard.

I have located the ex-BF's mother. The ex-GF is going to call her to see if she will help in locating him so this can be resolved. If no luck there, back to trying the DMV route.
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TeaxasProud, this case is much different than what you describe. I wouldn't go calling those police 'incompetent', maybe they just have other priorities?

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Yes... it was a bit harsh and I thought about it some with the other posts... and about what they are thinking and hearing... but then I come back to my thinking when I hear that they will not take a report without the VIN.. they are either lying or incompetent... both are bad IMO.. if a patrol car does not wish to do the work, then a desk jockey can... but the flip answer of 'we will not take a report'... well enough said...

And as someone else said... she should be able to get the VIN from the state... Maybe Texas is a bit different, but I sold a car and the guy calls me up and said he lost the title (6 months after I sold it).... I called our DMV right away... and ON THE PHONE they told me the VIN, what form I needed to fill out to get a new title, what form I needed to fill out and file with them to state that I had sold the car in case the guy did not title it again... they did ask me a number of questions to try and verify that it was 'ME'... what are your other cars, addresses, when last inspected or some such... can't remember... but very very helpful.... I can not believe another state would just brush off someone like the OP said...
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Update time. The saga continues. We found the BF's mother and sister but they profess not to know where he is. Nevertheless, we told them that "we don't want any trouble" and just want to transfer the title at this point to the ex BF. Maybe he will get the message, but we have not heard anything yet.

I also assigned the title holder the job of going back to the DMV with several talking points. I haven't heard back from her either.
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How this story will end is anyone's guess, but it will end within a year.

Boyfriend has the title and car with a current registration and license plates. But boyfriend can not register the car and get new license plates next year because his name isn't on the title. When the current plates expire the game will be over and the car will be found and impounded and guess who will get notified and how much the impounding fees are?

Maybe the girlfriend should just pay the ticket and mark it down in her feeble little mind as another one of life's little lessons.
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Uncle, the good news is that the car tabs expired a few months ago, so yes, hopefully the car will be off the road soon.
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Uncle, the good news is that the car tabs expired a few months ago, so yes, hopefully the car will be off the road soon.
I drove around Nebraska for a year with expired license plates on my beat up junker car back in my stupid days and I never got pulled over, so don't count on it.

I kind of wonder why the police didn't impound the car when the boyfriend got the ticket originally, since he was driving improperly or something was wrong with the car (hence the ticket), the car was uninsured, the driver had previous DUI's and he has no documentation in the car with his name on it. Must be a smooth talker this guy.
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Uncle, the good news is that the car tabs expired a few months ago, so yes, hopefully the car will be off the road soon.
Hopefully that's the case Martha..... But I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't just pick up a renewal form at a currency exchange, fill it out and sign her name and the currency exchange will go get new stickers/plates. The clerk at your local currency exchange isn't very fussy about details as long as you pay their fee.

Anyway...... Here in Illinois I would head to a state police station. Each has Sec of State Investigators on site who spend their lives checking records at used car dealers, following up on fraud cases involving automobile transfers, etc. Sort of the enforcement arm of the SOS and DMV. If your friend can get through to one of them, he/she might be interested.

But that's here in Illinois.... and from what I remember from my days as a communications tech with the Ill State Police many years ago. (Yes, I was the guy who calibrated the radar gun you wouldn't believe when the trooper showed you you were doing 78 in a 55! )
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Uncle, the good news is that the car tabs expired a few months ago, so yes, hopefully the car will be off the road soon.
Most likely the car was found abandoned and impounded. Boyfriend probably just left it on the street someplace and the police towed it. Moving violations are drivers responsibilities, all others are the owners problem.

Pay the clerk and all will be well.
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When I bought my Expedition in the fall of 1999, the dealership didnt do the registration paperwork properly...I think the registration date was all zeroes or something stupid like that.

So while I was issued a set of plates, the DMV never sent me a renewal notice and I was so busy I never thought of it. Until sometime in 2003 when a friend said "hey, you know your license plates expired two years ago?"

I guess it depends on how observant the local police are. When I first moved to CA from MA and had been here for about 3 weeks I got pulled over by a CHP who told me he'd seen my MA plates several times and that I needed to register the car in CA if I was going to be here for more than a few more days. He was probably BSing me about having seen the plates before and remembering it, but...

I did however go on to drive with the MA plates for almost a year without ever getting stopped again, until they expired.

MA did go through the trouble of finding me so they could send me an excise tax bill. I sent it back to them with "No thanks, losers" written on it.
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