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Old 02-20-2010, 06:22 PM   #21
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Here is a neighborhood with no HOA:
The photo doesn't show the rock-crusher in the quarry behind the trailer...

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I'd never live under an HOA either. I can't put up a political sign or a solar panel?!? No solar screens on the front of the house? Please. Petty tyrants are not for me.
Nothing wrong with my property value. Sometimes, I wish it would drop so the taxes would drop.
If it's any consolation, federal & state laws can override HOA rules. For example, a political sign is an expression of 1st Amendment rights that can't even be overridden by Hawaii's anti-billboard laws. And solar panels (plus clothes-drying lines) are considered to be energy-saving devices whose existence can be regulated but not forbidden.

I've seen some really low property values around our islands. Oh, wait, we live on a gulch right above some extremely low property values. I can only imagine what the rest of our neighborhood would look like if there wasn't an HOA.

Nobody appreciates HOAs until they need one.
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My inlaws live in an upper middle class neighborhood. Nice brick homes. What color is your concrete? Not allowed one day to fix the mailbox before the HOA was on their A**.

Not for me.

No trailer in sight or any 55 gallon drums like the picture.

I live in a middle - middle class neighborhood same state. No HOA. Looks about the same when you drive down the street.
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If it's any consolation, federal & state laws can override HOA rules. For example, a political sign is an expression of 1st Amendment rights that can't even be overridden by Hawaii's anti-billboard laws. And solar panels (plus clothes-drying lines) are considered to be energy-saving devices whose existence can be regulated but not forbidden.
Depends on the state and courts. As the 11th Circuit wrote, it's a private contract. We can give up our rights as we wish.

Not for me but they may be for you.
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YMMV, I've rented in some area's with tight rules and it was fine but as an owner I could never tolerate restrictions on my ownership or getting permission from a board.
I have sought my neighbors input on proposed changes and they have approached me on things. Which I think shows respect and is well neighborly.
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Depends on the state and courts. As the 11th Circuit wrote, it's a private contract. We can give up our rights as we wish.

Not for me but they may be for you.
Interpreting the First Amendment in this area is not that easy. Private conduct is beyond the reach of the First Amendment; thus, Homeowner's Associations generally can restrict speech.

The more interesting question is whether the Federal or State government can prevent a HOA from restricting speech; for example, there are Federal and State laws that prohibit HOA's from restricting an individual owner's right to display the U.S. flag or yellow ribbons on his or her property. Here's a piece that covers some of these issues:
firstamendmentcenter.org: Personal & public expression in Speech - Topic
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