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Old 11-20-2006, 11:58 PM   #41
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You called out your displeasure at the number of Protestants in submarine duty in two different posts, obviously you harbor some feelings about this. I wonder what the issue was/is?
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Re: did someone say 'draft'?
Old 11-21-2006, 08:39 AM   #42
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I am not absolutely positive about this but didn't Rangel vote against a draft bill just a little while ago? I think it was something along the lines of him saying how only the poor are in the service now (not true) and how we should have a draft. The Republicans then said OK here's a bill to re-instate the draft, calling his "bluff.". Then Rangel (and almost everyone else) voted against it.

At least that's the way I remember it.

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It got 402 "NAY" votes, including Rangel. Paragon of virtue John Murtha was one of the two "YEA" votes.

But, Charlie has brought the idea back again.

I remember several folks of liberal persuasion decrying on this board the Republicans wasting the time of the legislature and trying to distract the public with a bunch of public theater BS (flag burning, etc) in the months before the election. Are any of the same voices to be heard registering discontent over Charlie Rangel's shenanigans? (followed by silence except for faint sound of crickets chirping)
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Did you see the multiple posts I made indicating that Rangel was playing politics?

Since the new Dem leadership has indicated they will put the kibosh on this, it ain't going nowhere.
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:59 AM   #44
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"Are any of the same voices to be heard registering discontent over Charlie Rangel's shenanigans? (followed by silence except for faint sound of crickets chirping)"

Crickets chirping in late November ? Not around here south-central Texas, brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

It must be 40 degrees out on the porch this dawn.

I am having to feed the emu cracked corn 'cause the bugs are in short supply.
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Did you see the multiple posts I made indicating that Rangel was playing politics?

Since the new Dem leadership has indicated they will put the kibosh on this, it ain't going nowhere.
Okay, ONE of the same voices is being heard.

Ol Rancher,
I'd a thought them Texas cricket bugs was a might hardier than reg'lar cricket bugs. Maybeez I wuz wrong.
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"Ol Rancher,
I thought them Texas cricket bugs was a might hardier than reg'lar cricket bugs. Maybeez I wuz wrong."

Yer thinking of them big cockaroaches that fly from the trees and try to get in yer house. In Florida they are called 'Palmetto Bugs' - now there is a bit of P.R.

Them big red two inch long flying cockaroaches take three swats from a swatter and usually manage to crawl off and hide under the fridge anyhow. Nothing less than a 14 ounce hammer with a direct hit will actually stop one of 'em. Enev then they are still wigglin' so you need to let them lay there for an hour or so.

The scorpions are even tougher but they sink like rocks in water so just flush them down the toilet, but don't try that with the big red cockaroackes because in a drought they might just come back through the waste line into the bathroom.

This is why some ranchers keep emus. They hold down the snakes and reduce the 'field roach' population.

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During my years 1969-72 the Navy caught a lot of flack for having the whitest officer corps of all the services. I wonder if it has changed 35 yrs. later.

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You called out your displeasure at the number of Protestants in submarine duty in two different posts, obviously you harbor some feelings about this. I wonder what the issue was/is?
I'm a lapsed Lutheran turned apathetic. Like Scott Adams says, you won't learn about my religious big business preferences by reading my posts.

The issue is the acronym. WASP seems to get the point across for at least three-quarters of my purpose.

I briefly considered WASP/WASC/WASM/WASJ/WASH/WASS/WASB but it just seemed too cumbersome... anyone have a better acronym?

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During my years 1969-72 the Navy caught a lot of flack for having the whitest officer corps of all the services. I wonder if it has changed 35 yrs. later.
Not as far as I can tell in the submarine force.

But FWIW one of the Navy's most newsworthy new admirals (coincidentally a classmate) isn't noteworthy for being African-American-- it's because RADM Howard is the first flag officer from USNA to be a woman, as well as the first African-American woman to command a ship. So hopefully in 25-50 years our grandkids will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
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So....ah..... let's see if I've got this. We need to reinstitute the draft to bring more wealthy whites, both men and women, into the services, particularly at the enlisted level. We need to institute some kind of affirmative action program to bring more minorities and women into the officer ranks. Is that it?

Not to worry about any possible religious affiliation. Nords only referred to Protestants as part of a sterotyping acronym.

I'll email Reps Rangel and Murtha with an executive summary of our recommendations.

Thanks everybody for clearing this up.
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Eh, I don't feel like taking the bait today. Rangel is just playing politics and the proposal will go nowhere. If you guys want to join up, have at it.
that is the bottom line. It's just a go nowhere bill that has been around for 3 years now....
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I'm a lapsed Lutheran turned apathetic. Like Scott Adams says, you won't learn about my religious big business preferences by reading my posts.

The issue is the acronym. WASP seems to get the point across for at least three-quarters of my purpose.

I briefly considered WASP/WASC/WASM/WASJ/WASH/WASS/WASB but it just seemed too cumbersome... anyone have a better acronym?
Not as far as I can tell in the submarine force.

But FWIW one of the Navy's most newsworthy new admirals (coincidentally a classmate) isn't noteworthy for being African-American-- it's because RADM Howard is the first flag officer from USNA to be a woman, as well as the first African-American woman to command a ship. So hopefully in 25-50 years our grandkids will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
WAS* seems to work.
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WAS* seems to work.
Oooh, good point. I'll use that. Thanks!
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Come to that, is WAS* a useful distinction? Is there still significant discrimination between Anglo-Saxon whites and non-Anglo-Saxon whites in the military? (Could be, I don't know.)

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I guess that brings us to W***?

As an American of Dutch descent, whose people had no connection with the Angles or the Saxons, I encountered no special discrimination based on anything more than I was a dumb as a brick.
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