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Old 11-25-2012, 09:49 AM   #21
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Shouldn't that be curmudgienne?

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I understand why it's done. The mental mechanics puzzle me, though. I don't know why these particular phrases are used. Why is it somehow more desirable to be "at" a development, than "in" it or "of" it?
If anyone could definitively predict why "at" works better than "in" or "of" right now (what works now may not appeal to ego in another time), they'd be a marketing billionaire on Madison Ave.

It's good that you see through it, unfortunate that it "annoys" you, why worry about it?
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:38 AM   #23
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Being an Englishman in Texas I've long got over such word annoyances
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Dad gum, I'm durn glad you figgered out a way to not let them funny soundin words be a burr under your saddle. Now skedaddle on outa here fore the hogs getcha...
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Irritants of little consequence, curmudgeonistic complaints, etc....
First-world problems?
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Shouldn't that be curmudgienne?
There is such a thing as being curmudgeonly, and then there are those who are simply a PITA...
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If anyone could definitively predict why "at" works better than "in" or "of" right now (what works now may not appeal to ego in another time), they'd be a marketing billionaire on Madison Ave.
You don't think they already have cadres of marketing folks figuring out just that?
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Possibly due to the 'presumption' that whatever wording has become associated with the hoi polloi is therefore infra dig for the parvenues.
Dearest Nemo.

One need not employ the definite article "the" before "hoi polloi", as "hoi" means "the" (plural) in ancient Greek. Additionally, I believe that the plural of parvenu does not take an "e".

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But have you at least integrated ya'll into everyday conversation yet?
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I understand why it's done. The mental mechanics puzzle me, though. I don't know why these particular phrases are used. Why is it somehow more desirable to be "at" a development, than "in" it or "of" it?
In this case, probably an advertising gimmick. But there are some grammatical rules for it ( found by google ). No wonder is english is so difficult....

Use at, when the place is considered or visualized as, or situated at, a point location (as when at long distance from the speaker):

I'll meet you at the drugstore.
I arrived at Denver at midnight because my flight was late.

Use in when the 3-dimensionality of the place is of concern or significance (as when specifying the inside rather than the outside):

I was supposed to meet her at the corner, but I found her in the drugstore.
I've never been in Denver before.

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But have you at least integrated ya'll into everyday conversation yet?
Yip, and in Louisiana I quickly learned that "y'all" is singular and "all y'all" is plural.
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Yip, yup or yep? I always thought yup was more common to the south and yep more often heard in the northeast. Yip I don't rightly know.
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Dearest Nemo.

One need not employ the definite article "the" before "hoi polloi", as "hoi" means "the" (plural) in ancient Greek. Additionally, I believe that the plural of parvenu does not take an "e".

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The big controversy about hoi polloi in English — the sort of thing that raises blood pressures to dangerous levels — is whether you should say “the hoi polloi”: hoi already means the, so “the hoi polloi” means “the the many.” Then again, people have been saying “the hoi polloi” for as long as they've been using the expression in English (since 1668, says the OED). Besides, we say “the La Brea Tar Pits,” even though that means “the the tar tar pits.” And the al at the beginning of many English words derived from Arabic — alcohol, alchemy, algebra — originally meant the, but no one finds “the alcohol” redundant.

I don't have good advice on this one. Dropping the the runs the risk of sounding pedantic; leaving it in runs the risk of sounding illiterate.
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Every one of those "Towne Homes" has a junk drawer...just sayin'
See, that's why they are better than my house, here in the Cozy Homes of Frugal Vista. I re-arranged my kitchen to make it more ergonomic, and now it unfortunately has two three junk drawers.



As a bona fide resident of south Louisiana, I don't even dare get into the discussions of proper English.... yep, don't dare.
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Please, it's JUNKE drawers.

To me contrived wording is mostly laughable, sometimes a negative, never a positive.
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Oh good gosh, you mean there are proficiency levels? With milestones, a special exam, and a Board who determine whether one is ready to advance? This is starting to sound like Work!

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Please, it's JUNKE drawers.

To me contrived wording is mostly laughable, sometimes a negative, never a positive.
Not Junque drawers? Maybe throw in a random accent mark?

PS: Maybe it's just something I noticed recently, and it has stuck with me, but it seems I keep hearing the servers at more upscale (or trying to appear upscale) restaurants using the phrase 'as well' instead of 'too', or 'also'.

And would the lady care for some more wine as well?

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