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Old 06-23-2010, 05:03 PM   #61
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:43 PM   #62
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If leaving town I always wear my seatbelt. I don't wear it in town, but town is 1500 people, one stop light, and a speed limit of 25 mph.
So what are you saying-- that you're less likely to die in town, or less vulnerable to dying at a lower velocity?

I'm only asking as someone whose tax dollars may someday be paying for your life support. Otherwise, carry on...
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I like the Texas motorcycle helmet law. Prove you have health insurance and you don't have to wear your helmet.
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:54 PM   #64
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So what are you saying-- that you're less likely to die in town, or less vulnerable to dying in town?

I'm only asking as someone whose tax dollars may someday be paying for your life support. Otherwise, carry on...
Traffic does not travel normally above 25 mph. Most of the time one is going less than 20 mph as a block is only about 500 feet and most intersections do not have stop signs. In modern cars with air bags it would be almost impossible to be seriously hurt in a 20 mph accident. In my 63 years I am unaware of a single time anyone was seriously hurt in an accident in town. The worst I am aware of has been the odd fender bender. And those happen very rarely, maybe once or twice a year. If you haven't lived in an area like this it is hard to understand. We have had some unusual accidents. Our main street is diagonal parking and on one occasion two elderly drivers backed out from opposite sides of the street and rear ended each other. If you're curious look up Cavalier ND on Google Earth there are street level views of both the highways through town.
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Traffic does not travel normally above 25 mph. Most of the time one is going less than 20 mph as a block is only about 500 feet and most intersections do not have stop signs. In modern cars with air bags it would be almost impossible to be seriously hurt in a 20 mph accident. In my 63 years I am unaware of a single time anyone was seriously hurt in an accident in town. The worst I am aware of has been the odd fender bender. And those happen very rarely, maybe once or twice a year. If you haven't lived in an area like this it is hard to understand. We have had some unusual accidents. Our main street is diagonal parking and on one occasion two elderly drivers backed out from opposite sides of the street and rear ended each other. If you're curious look up Cavalier ND on Google Earth there are street level views of both the highways through town.
This reminds me of CuteFuzzyBunny's paper bag analogy: "I've put a paper bag on my head and run back & forth across this four-lane highway. So far so good!"

I'd wear a seatbelt even if I was driving at 10 MPH on my driveway.

Maybe Leonidas or Walt34 have pictures of 20 MPH accidents.
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This reminds me of CuteFuzzyBunny's paper bag analogy: "I've put a paper bag on my head and run back & forth across this four-lane highway. So far so good!"

I'd wear a seatbelt even if I was driving at 10 MPH on my driveway.

Maybe Leonidas or Walt34 have pictures of 20 MPH accidents.
I will patiently await production of said pictures.
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When I was an enlisted man at that little post outside of Highland Falls, I saw the original National Safety Council research reports on
A) how much better your odds were to survive a wreck with seatbelts than without, and
B) how less severe your injuries were if you did survive.

With photographs. It is surprising what a face looks like after it goes through a windshield.

Our kids are faithful about them, too. One less thing to worry about.
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I used to live on a street with a 25 mph limit. For a while, once a day there was this teenager that drove through at 60 mph.

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Maybe Leonidas or Walt34 have pictures of 20 MPH accidents.
No photos, but bear in mind a prizefighter's knockout punch moves around 19 mph.

I'll admit I never saw a 20-mph-fatal car accident, or even one with serious injuries, but because of the inverse square law regarding forces of impact the picture changes dramatically at speeds above that. I have seen fatals at 35 mph.

In accidents involving people outside the steel cage of a car (pedestrians, bicyclists) I've seen fatals at 15 mph. There was one of those locally a couple of days ago involving a 13-year-old girl on a bicycle in a quiet residential area.
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Nodak, with all due respect, you could put on and take off your seat belts 25 times in the amount of time you have spent justifying why you don't wear a seat belt. I'm just saying....Unexpected things can happen, even in North Dakota (which I visited once, and liked very much). Stay safe.

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Traffic does not travel normally above 25 mph. Most of the time one is going less than 20 mph as a block is only about 500 feet and most intersections do not have stop signs. In modern cars with air bags it would be almost impossible to be seriously hurt in a 20 mph accident. In my 63 years I am unaware of a single time anyone was seriously hurt in an accident in town. The worst I am aware of has been the odd fender bender. And those happen very rarely, maybe once or twice a year. If you haven't lived in an area like this it is hard to understand. We have had some unusual accidents. Our main street is diagonal parking and on one occasion two elderly drivers backed out from opposite sides of the street and rear ended each other. If you're curious look up Cavalier ND on Google Earth there are street level views of both the highways through town.
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Nodak, with all due respect, you could put on and take off your seat belts 25 times in the amount of time you have spent justifying why you don't wear a seat belt. I'm just saying....Unexpected things can happen, even in North Dakota (which I visited once, and liked very much). Stay safe.

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Please understand, I do wear my seat belt whenever I leave the confines of Cavalier. I will also tell you that, as far as I can tell, the cops don't even wear belts while in town. I suspect that most on here don't understand how small and isolated this area is; Pembina County covers 900 square miles and contains fewer than 9,000 people. On Friday I had some business to take care of in a town 30 miles from here. I drove on paved county roads for the 60 mile round trip and in that whole trip in between the two towns I saw exactly 5 other vehicles and two of them were massive John Deere tractors. This area is as flat as a table top and one can see for 10 miles in any direction. It is as safe as anyplace on earth.
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It's so reassuring to know that the laws of both physics and Murphy have apparently been suspended in your area.

You have a nice life now.
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I don't understand the animosity towards Nodak. It is his choice. I don't live in his community, I don't know how populated it is, I don't know what the real dangers are. He seems like a reasonable intelligent person and is making his own decisions as he perceives the risk in his area.

I see surfing as a potentially dangerous sport. Boards can get away, even if strapped, and someone could be hit in the head, become a vegetable and we would have to pay for his medical bills for the rest of his life. The simple act of wearing protective headgear could solve this. Let's pass a law.

And, that is just about the dumbest suggestion I have heard!
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I don't think it's animosity. I think it is people trying to be helpful and open his eyes to something he might not be fully understanding.

I think the surfer understands the risk. No sense talking after that, but if one isn't understanding the risk, talking *might* still help.

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I don't understand the animosity towards Nodak. It is his choice. I don't live in his community, I don't know how populated it is, I don't know what the real dangers are. He seems like a reasonable intelligent person and is making his own decisions as he perceives the risk in his area.

I see surfing as a potentially dangerous sport. Boards can get away, even if strapped, and someone could be hit in the head, become a vegetable and we would have to pay for his medical bills for the rest of his life. The simple act of wearing protective headgear could solve this. Let's pass a law.

And, that is just about the dumbest suggestion I have heard!
Thanks for the support. I am finished defending my actions on this subject except to say that I don't wear my seat belt because a law says I must. I wear it when it seems logical to do so and that is when traveling at highway speeds or in a larger town with higher speed limits and a lot of traffic.

I am basically a libertarian and distrustful of politicians and their rules; I consider most or them to be power hungry wastes of space. My take on them is that they would prefer to, in the words of an old song, "turn us all into beggars 'cause they're easier to please".
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T I am finished defending my actions on this subject except to say that I don't wear my seat belt because a law says I must. ...

I am basically a libertarian and distrustful of politicians and their rules; I consider most or them to be power hungry wastes of space.
I respect that you are done on the subject, I'm not looking for a response, but I do want to clarify that I wear my seat belt at all times not because of the law, but because all the data on the subject tells me it makes sense for me to do so.

I share your feelings towards politicians, my decision is separate from that.

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I wear a seat belt (and used to ride a motorcycle...and still bicycle)...BUT...I do believe there is some personal choice here. Rather than argue the point either way, let me ask a couple of questions.......How many of you wear a helmet when you drive? Think of all the head injuries in car accidents (lots...and lots...). If you are truly interested in being safe wouldn't you do ALLLLLLLL you could to be safe Or only those things that are less inconvenient?
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I wear a seat belt (and used to ride a motorcycle...and still bicycle)...BUT...I do believe there is some personal choice here. Rather than argue the point either way, let me ask a couple of questions.......How many of you wear a helmet when you drive? Think of all the head injuries in car accidents (lots...and lots...). If you are truly interested in being safe wouldn't you do ALLLLLLLL you could to be safe Or only those things that are less inconvenient?
Head injuries of people wearing seat belts in cars equipped with airbags? That is a surprise.
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