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Old 05-15-2014, 07:38 PM   #21
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Um, how do you know where are those bullets or shot pellets are going to land?
I think Myth Busters covered this pretty well. Maybe google it?

No details will be offered, but I have had No. 6 shot land on me without personal injury. Not recommending any of this, you understand. Just don't think it is quite as dangerous as it sounds. Still, YMMV. (You go, brewer12345!)
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:56 PM   #22
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Drones = free target practice, IMO.
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I think Myth Busters covered this pretty well. Maybe google it?

No details will be offered, but I have had No. 6 shot land on me without personal injury. Not recommending any of this, you understand. Just don't think it is quite as dangerous as it sounds. Still, YMMV. (You go, brewer12345!)
It depends, bird shot at 60 yards no problem. A 30.06 shot 'flat', very dangerous. Think that was the posters point. I'm all for privacy, I'd consider taking a drone out, with the proper tools.

All responsible firearm owners know the safety rules but sometimes, they forget what can happen. This tragedy in MO. goes to show what can happen:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/23199879/...ts-for-justice

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Drones = free target practice

I find this somewhat disturbing. So my grandson is flying what you consider a drone, or at least looks like one, but in fact it is a toy, you reserve the right to shoot it out of the sky.

While Brewer's comment may sound cute, I would hope it was nothing more than attempt at humor. I am just about as conservative as you can get, with strong libertarian leanings, but I don't agree with shooting down drones just because you think they may be spying one you. There is a guy in our neighborhood that drives by peoples homes, sometimes aims his headlights at homes. I, and most of the neighbors don't like it, but I know of no one that advocates shooting him.
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So my grandson is flying what you consider a drone, or at least looks like one, but in fact it is a toy, you reserve the right to shoot it out of the sky.
I'm the guy that goes on his roof to retrieve neighbor's Frisbees, and wouldn't think of keeping a kid's baseball that ended up in my yard. If a kid flies his electric RC airplane over my house occasionally, I'd have no concerns. But if a drone is hovering around my yard, staying there a long time, flitting from my front yard to my back yard, maybe beaming pictures back to the home base, bothering my dog, etc, then I will ask Junior to fly his toy somewhere else. And if he doesn't, or if I don't know who the thing belongs to, then I would consider it a nuisance and, yes, I would shoot it down in a safe manner.

This is my house. The drone pilot can fly in a lot of places, but I can only live here.

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There is a guy in our neighborhood that drives by peoples homes, sometimes aims his headlights at homes. I, and most of the neighbors don't like it, but I know of no one that advocates shooting him.
I wouldn't advocate shooting Mr Creepy. But if he buys a drone, equips it with a light, and starts shining it in houses, I'm pretty sure the neighbors will want to do something about it.

How long before somebody builds a jammer to defeat these things? Those that are actively controlled (first-person POV drones) would be easy to defeat with standard noise jamming, while those depending on GPS are relying on some very weak signals from space, signals that are quite easy to overwhelm with a modest transmitter and a high gain antenna. I think this kind of warfare/abuse of the EM spectrum has a lot more potential for harm to the public than pellet guns.
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I guess my objection, on some level deals with vigilantism. If a drone is presenting a threat to my privacy or health or welfare in some manor, and it constitutes an emergency then I would have no problem attempting to safely take it down. However, I think a complaint, with video to the authorities would be my preferred course of action.

Wanting to give others the benefit of the doubt, when it comes to "shooting" down something, my first thought was the typical suburban or city environment and a neighbor out with his 12 gauge trying to bring down an aerial target. Maybe the posters who support this action live in the country with no close neighbors.
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However, I think a complaint, with video to the authorities would be my preferred course of action.
Agreed. And, if this issue grows to be a real problem, the authorities will probably get, or be able to get, the technical resources needed to handle it.
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I guess my objection, on some level deals with vigilantism. If a drone is presenting a threat to my privacy or health or welfare in some manor, and it constitutes an emergency then I would have no problem attempting to safely take it down. However, I think a complaint, with video to the authorities would be my preferred course of action.

Wanting to give others the benefit of the doubt, when it comes to "shooting" down something, my first thought was the typical suburban or city environment and a neighbor out with his 12 gauge trying to bring down an aerial target. Maybe the posters who support this action live in the country with no close neighbors.
Um, have you called the police with what they view to be a minor complaint? You will be waiting a looonnnggg time for a response, possibly forever. Guess where a drone report will rank in their list of priorities?
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Um, how do you know where are those bullets or shot pellets are going to land?

I am a squirrel hunter. Tiny target, often up in the trees with no backstop, not infrequently moving. Drones would be a shot-only proposition. In the burbs where I live, I suppose I would be limited to a tennis racket or similar. Out in the woods would be a different story.
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Um, have you called the police with what they view to be a minor complaint? You will be waiting a looonnnggg time for a response, possibly forever. Guess where a drone report will rank in their list of priorities?
Probably not much more attention than I got after my house was broken into a my laptop was stolen before Fido came running at him.....Cop said I should buy a gun and not expect the police to "protect" me or the family. (so I did)
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We were droned!

We are just starting the process of selling our house. We contacted a local Remax agent and asked them to come and look at our house and give us a market evaluation. The realtor came out to our house yesterday and advised us that after we had initially contacted him on the phone to set up the appointment he flew his drone over to our house to take aerial photos. He said he uses the drone technology a lot when the houses are in close proximity to his office, (about a mile away in our case).
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A little bit dated, (Dec. 2013), but likely current with respect to the laws as they exist today.
Drone Law Journal | Legal News & Info About Drones, UAVs and Remote-Controlled Model Aircraft by Peter Sachs, Esq.

Worthwhile in understanding what may or may not happen with regard to law.
(Author believes that any substantial legislation may be far into the future.)

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Re: stray bullets/shot

Hiking trail runs behind a skeet range. Walking the trail while range is in use, you can hear the pellets drop through the trees... like heavy raindrops.

Not so with rifles... Several years ago, while driving corn country in the fall, (with fields cut and one mile+ vision in any direction), a stray bullet hit my driver side front window, and went all the way through the safety glass, to end (flattened) on the dashboard in front of me. When I reported it to the police, they shrugged it off... "it happens"...

Cheated death again...
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Shooting them might be fun on my place in WI.

I would be more entertaining to come up with a way to take them down with my own drone over my house. Have to work on that.
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Might I humbly suggest a more appropriate method of shooting down a tiny, complex flying radio/electronics package than flinging bits of metal at it?

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

Electronics are sensitive to electrical impulses by design. Electronics with radio control circuits are deliberately sensitive. This suggest a path of attack...

5 volts of induced RF current spread across the likely control frequencies will thoroughly desensitize a radio receiver. 10 volts will likely destroy the radio's sensitive 'front end' circuitry, as well as do Bad Things to other components. A radio frequency burst generator can be readily constructed by a moderately skilled hobbyist.

For bonus points, combine this with a system that uses signal processing to recognize the buzzing sound of a drone from an omnidirectional microphone, and then uses an azimuth/elevation servo controlled mount holding a shotgun microphone or camera for tracking and the burst generator feedhorn to target the drone. This might make a good Raspberry Pi project.

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Now this is pretty cool. Especially the controller.

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So much for that drone...

Just reading the "local rag" tonight and in the front section an article about the city's (Conroe..Montgomery County, TX) $500,000 surveillance and infra red imaging DRONE fell out of the sky over Lake Conroe and was found (in pieces) in 40' of water. (Now this is a big lake)

Hmmm.....no suspects but the city is sending some drone pieces to an FAA lab. Now this is Texas, of course.

Done was bought with Homeland Security funds (grant, I guess) and was insured for a little over $300,000.

Makes you wonder.
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Just reading the "local rag" tonight and in the front section an article about the city's (Conroe..Montgomery County, TX) $500,000 surveillance and infra red imaging DRONE fell out of the sky over Lake Conroe and was found (in pieces) in 40' of water. (Now this is a big lake)

Hmmm.....no suspects but the city is sending some drone pieces to an FAA lab. Now this is Texas, of course.

Done was bought with Homeland Security funds (grant, I guess) and was insured for a little over $300,000.

Makes you wonder.
I wonder who gets the insurance money? Maybe the city has found a way to convert a drone they didn't really need into enough money to fill several thousand potholes.

These DHS grants seem like quite the money tree. If Montgomery County, Texas needs a drone, I think they should buy it with funds from their own residents. There's a lot more accountability when these types of things are kept local.
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Neighbor's 15 year old spoiled brat son gets a DJI Phantom 2 for his birthday and decides to show off for your 14 year old daughter, by taking a picture of her from "space".... He miscalculates and the spinning drone drifts down towards her and the rotor blades slash into her face, blinding her in one eye.
I'd think the more likely scenario involving the 15 year old neighbor would be spying on your daughter/wife through the second floor window, or a bathroom window that is up high and shouldn't let anyone see in given its angle.
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These things are seriously cool. Inherently stable platform made more so by some cool electronics like GPS programmability for return to home or go to co-ordinates, barometric pressure/GPS controlled hover at altitude, operator vicinity 'no-fly zone' and a bunch of other stuff. Most are so lightweight as not to pose much of a problem if they do fall out of the sky. Terminal velocity and masses would limit damage to much of anything. I can't see many of these putting much of a dent in even a small private plane and a jet engine would probably tolerate one better than a couple of Canada Geese. I do recall the FAA have something to say about the plan to deliver 6 packs to ice fisherman in Wisconsin (or was it Minnesota?) not too long ago. Sure there will be lots of guidelines coming up. I plan to get mine before they shut them down!
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Might I humbly suggest a more appropriate method of shooting down a tiny, complex flying radio/electronics package than flinging bits of metal at it?

Electronics are sensitive to electrical impulses by design. Electronics with radio control circuits are deliberately sensitive. This suggest a path of attack...
And this is of course cool too. Always countermeasures! Just like theatres and hospitals can put in cell phone blockers, similar steps can be taken around airports and sensitive sites to take these little 'pests' down. Though the idea of flinging bits of metal has a particular appeal to the kid in me and we definitely would have been having some fun with these, and various modes of flinging things, if we had them back in the day.
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