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Jacob Fisker, an "extreme" early FIREee whose blog many people here follow, has just published his first book. I haven't read it, but he is an insightful guy, and it may well be worthwhile.

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It's available from the publisher here:

https://www.createspace.com/3457832

It should be on Amazon within a couple of weeks.

Early Retirement Extreme provides a robust strategy that makes it possible to stop working for money in just a short number of years. It provides a paradigm shift in economic perspective from consuming to producing. Your value to society is not how much you earn or how much you buy. It is what you create and produce for yourself and for others.
 
I've ordered it today!

Can't wait to get my hands on it. :)

It has appeared on Amazon faster than expected.
 
Looks interesting. The table of contents is here.
 
Thanks for the heads up that the book is available on Amazon. I plan to order it, read it and then donate it to my public library. I have read the author's blog a couple of times and find it appealing as it reiterates what I really do already know....that it is possible to live well on slender means if one uses one's resources wisely. In my case I am not planning to adopt some kind of extremely frugal lifestyle. I am trying to reorient my thinking to be more aware of exactly what value I gain from my spending and how it impacts my long range plans.
 
Wouldn't paying $19.95 plus shipping for this book go completely against the principles conveyed by the author?
 
He is a good writer in a crowded field. I don't think he really needs to pinch pennies at all though. His blog ranks in the top 50,000 web sites according to Alexa, so if he is monetizing it right he should be making 50 - 100K+ or so a year pretty easy just from blog advertising.
 
Wouldn't paying $19.95 plus shipping for this book go completely against the principles conveyed by the author?

For me, buying the book is a way to thank the author for years of publishing outstanding and hard to find information on his website. The book contains even more. Jacob's ideas have made planning my early retirement much easier.

If I'm blown away by the book, I'm probably going to donate afterwards or buy copies for friends.

If I'm disappointed by the book I can always sell it and recoup most of my investment. This is one of the reasons why I'd prefer the paper version to the Kindle version.

You could of course always try to obtain it through a public library.
 
I am pretty sure that I will buy the Kindle version, which I as I recall will be $9.95. I do not have a problem with spending $10 for entertainment once in a while. Besides, I will probably learn enough from the book to save many times that amount. I enjoy reading Jacob's blog. Even though I don't follow his extreme LBYM, it is fascinating, expands my horizons, and gives me some great ideas.
 
I am pretty sure that I will buy the Kindle version, which I as I recall will be $9.95. I do not have a problem with spending $10 for entertainment once in a while. Besides, I will probably learn enough from the book to save many times that amount. I enjoy reading Jacob's blog. Even though I don't follow his extreme LBYM, it is fascinating, expands my horizons, and gives me some great ideas.

Would you buy my book? "Dex's Guide To Middle Of The Road Early Retirement - Or you don't have to wear a loin cloth or have millions of dollars to retire early."

I see this blogging similar to books Vs magazines. With books you get all the info you need in one place. With blogs/mags it gets strung out. Books - concepts and principles; blogs - example upon example.

That is why I would not be a good blogger. My posts would be 'here's the concept, now get out of here and on with your life'.
 
He is a good writer in a crowded field. I don't think he really needs to pinch pennies at all though. His blog ranks in the top 50,000 web sites according to Alexa, so if he is monetizing it right he should be making 50 - 100K+ or so a year pretty easy just from blog advertising.
And exactly how, from your extensive research on his site, do you think he's monetizing it?

To put it another way, if he's making $50K/year from a website then why the heck bother writing a book?

$50K/year on 50,000 websites works out to $2.5B/year. I wonder how much of that can be documented by advertiser's expenditures, not just by blogger's stated incomes.
 
That is why I would not be a good blogger. My posts would be 'here's the concept, now get out of here and on with your life'.

And then your readership would comment and poke holes in your concept, which would lead to new posts and an improved concept. ;)
 
I quickly read a bit of his blog.... and think he is a nutcase... let's live without heat or AC just because I want to see if I can... or to save money... not the life I am interested in pursuing...

Now, my wife and I get into arguments on how we spend money... I don't care for the cable bill, the symphony tickets, the sciene museums visits that cost $100 etc. etc.... but they are important to HER...
 
Would you buy my book? "Dex's Guide To Middle Of The Road Early Retirement - Or you don't have to wear a loin cloth or have millions of dollars to retire early."

Few would buy anything billed as middle of the road. I can never figure out what there is about frugality that needs explanation anyway. You see stuff you would like to have. You do without. It's really a lot like sexual moderation. There's a lot you might like to have, but you figure overall long term you are better off doing without most of it. Also dieting. There are a million diet books, but no one who lives in America could possibly be in the dark about how to lose weight. Move around more and don't eat a lot of stuff that your great-grandmother would have frowned at. Prep time 1 minute; execution sometimes painful, same as the other two subjects above.


Ha
 
And exactly how, from your extensive research on his site, do you think he's monetizing it?

He has sponsored ads on the blog plus he solicits donations. I have a small blog in the same field, though with a lot less traffic and that site makes a nice side income on under 20K page views a month. From his Alexa rating he is getting 1,000,000 page views a month in the financial field which is pretty lucrative. So he should be getting a pretty penny form those ads. The pictures on the forums are actually ads, too.

$50K/year on 50,000 websites works out to $2.5B/year. I wonder how much of that can be documented by advertiser's expenditures, not just by blogger's stated incomes.

Check out Online Advertising Expenditure Forecast, 2009-2010 | ClickZ. "Online advertising, which includes display, search, video, and other categories, is expected to tally $25.4 billion in spending this year and $26.1 billion in 2010."

Not all web sites can make high rates so not every site in the top 50K is going to get the same rates. A joke web site would probably make 1/20th, if that, per impression as a financial site. It depends on the topic.

To put it another way, if he's making $50K/year from a website then why the heck bother writing a book?

Maybe as an additional revenue stream? If he can live so cheap and doesn't need any more money then why write a book at all? Best selling books can make millions for their authors and allow them to reach people other than simply a blogging audience. With a book you can get on TV and radio, maybe even Oprah. Look at how many books the original 4 hour work week guy has sold.

He is a good writer and he has some interesting ideas, but I think he is too smart not to be making a ton of money off his site and now his book.

Plus I do question some of his claims. I have only just skimmed his sites but it seems he he hangs out in Berkeley but lives in an RV and doesn't have a car? Is that right? I don't know where you would park an RV around Berkeley. It is in the SF metro area. To park an RV I would think you'd have to live farther out of town where land is cheaper but then you would not have easy access to mass transit to get to places like the Berkeley marina.
 
And exactly how, from your extensive research on his site, do you think he's monetizing it?

To put it another way, if he's making $50K/year from a website then why the heck bother writing a book?

My question is more mundane: Why is he living on less than 15K/year?
 
My question is more mundane: Why is he living on less than 15K/year?

Four possibilities 1) He is lying. 2) He needs something to help launch his book. 3) He is mentally unbalanced. 4) All of the above. :)

Ha
 
Not to negate his book or philosophy, but I believe his blog points out that he and his spouse (who I believe his blog says is working--and I appreciate this kind of honesty in this kind of blog) split all their expenses 50/50, so if he lives on $15K a year, it would be matched by hers.

But I think a blog that makes money requires a lot of w*rk so I'm not sure he's retired--he's at most ESR imho.
 
But I think a blog that makes money requires a lot of w*rk so I'm not sure he's retired--he's at most ESR imho.

He obviously spends a lot of time on his blog and has written about how much time he has spent on his book so that isn't really being retired.

Does he mention any place on his blog what his blogging income is? If not then that is a pretty key omission.

Overall I don think it is a really interesting blog, but I don't think the guy is completely forthcoming about his income and I doubt he really practices everything preaches. The SF Bay area is one of the most expensive areas in the country to live in so if his focus is to really live as cheaply as possible that location choice seems at odds with his extreme frugal living ideas.
 
I quickly read a bit of his blog.... and think he is a nutcase... let's live without heat or AC just because I want to see if I can... or to save money... not the life I am interested in pursuing...

Now, my wife and I get into arguments on how we spend money... I don't care for the cable bill, the symphony tickets, the sciene museums visits that cost $100 etc. etc.... but they are important to HER...

I think you've misunderstood Jacob's blog. His ideas/lifestyle may not be for everyone but he certainly have found a way to live that is sustainable and can certainly make you happy. I think it's just a matter of perspective.
 
To put it another way, if he's making $50K/year from a website then why the heck bother writing a book?

Some people write books because they want to contribute something. I don't think the desire to make money is central to the motivation of most good writers.

Before Jacob started the site he did other things related to future energy problems. He is worried about the future of the planet and wants to encourage efficient use of resources. He's not just all talk, he eats his own dog food. I think what he does gives his life meaning and helps him feel good about living a simple life.

Books are more durable and need less maintenance than websites. I don't think he wants to spend his whole life running a website about a single subject. The book bundles the results of his efforts.

Maybe writing his book was on his bucket list? I know I want to write several books. Books generally aren't profitable, but I have these books in me and they want out! If they make a buck: great! But I'm not counting on it and it's not what makes me want to write.
 
I enjoy Jacob's blog as well and find his commentary enlightening. His perspective as a "foreigner" (IIRC, Danish) means that he didn't grow up in the hyperconsumptive environment that so many of us did and struggle to shake free of.
I'll happily buy his book! There's a picture (maybe on his FB page?) of his RV and the RV park where he lives. Not a bad place.
 
Lots of speculation here <sigh>. To clear some things up...

I am making under $200/month from the ads on the blog. This may come a bit as a shocker. A little digging around on the blog's pages should lead you to the broker rates fairly easily. They're public, unlike most other places.

A little digging around should also lead you to the correct annual expenses, the fact that me and DW do share a car (I just don't drive it) but that I don't recommend getting one; why we live in the bay area and not somewhere cheaper, that my annual expense is 6-7k, not 15k (unless by that you meant the two of us together), etc.

Back to the ads... I have not monetized my blog until a couple of months ago (August 2010). I am currently making under $200/month. In total, I've made about $250 over the lifetime of the blog. Yeah, sure, someone smart could probably make much more if that was the key focus of their writing. There are actually lots of blogs like that who are all into SEO writing, link exchanges and networking to boost their ad revenue. My 44000 alexa ranking does NOT correspond to 1 million hits per month.

You can see the stats here.

The blog is very different from most personal finance blogs. A typical large pf blog has average visit times of around 30-40 seconds. They are well linked and rank high in google. When people search for something (like "index investing") google leads them to one of those blogs because there's an article there that has been SEO optimized for those keywords. The person then stays for 30-40 seconds, enough to read about two sentences and then they click on an ad. Very lucrative.

On my blog most people actually read the entire post.

An analogy to understand the impact and the high alexa rating is to think of a blog as a building with two doors: enter and exit. A regular blog has very many people entering all the time, but they don't stay long and so the total number in the building is #people multiplied by staying time, say 20000 people per day times 30 seconds = 10000 minutes. My blog has fewer people entering but they stay much longer, say 2000 people per day times 300 seconds = 10000 minutes. There are equally many people in the building, so the impact is quantitatively the same. Qualitatively it's much different. My hits are here to read posts. Traditional hits come due to a search engine and then they click on ads. I hope this made sense.

Indeed, I accept donations, but understand that internet users feel very much entitled to getting things for free. Less than 1% of readers have made a donation. We're talking another $250 over the lifetime. How many here have ever donated anything to the sites they frequent?

Now, this may be hard to accept/relate to, but I blog because I like it, frustrating as it occasionally is. I am a writer. I do what I enjoy. It is probably similar to why many here post on the forum. You're part of a community. Maybe if you could slap some ads on and you could make some money doing what you do anyway, you'd do it; but you wouldn't change your writing style to make more money, right? I wouldn't. This is similar to how some people volunteer in animal shelters or whatever. Their key motivation is not to make money regardless of how smart they are. It's not that they say no to money. It's not like nonprofit services give away everything for free. It's just that income is pretty far down in terms of priorities. You'll probably realize a radical change in your attitude towards more money between pre-FI (can't get enough of it) and post-FI (don't need any more of it).

The book was indeed written to allow some closure. I feel that I'm repeating myself on my blog more and more often. This is not something I enjoy [repeating myself]. On the other hand, I do help a lot of people (so they tell me), so this keeps the blog going although I spend less and less time on it.

In terms of total work load, it corresponds to about 250 forum posts per month. Anyone here writing more than that?

Anyway, sorry about the rant ...
 
Jacob thanks so much for the articulate and explanatory post. It is helpful to us average readers to learn more about your work. As an appreciative reader, I hope that your book is warmly received as I've followed your progress with it quite avidly.

Thanks again!
 
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