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M Paquette, you have a lot more confidence in our gummint than I and many other Merkins will ever have. Much luck to you.
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Old 08-03-2014, 02:54 PM   #62
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I've been tracing the Ebola Panic outbreak in the United States, and I believe I'm closing in on Patient Zero.
The two healthcare workers that contracted it were presumably specialists specifically trained in treating people with Ebola. But they obviously must have not cared if they died, since it's so difficult to contract, and they both contracted it.

And the CDC? They just keep the Ebola strain vials in the lunchroom refrigerator, in the back, on the 3rd shelf up, next to the plastic mayonnaise and ketchup bottles. Just trying to be more realistic and cost-effective, instead of bothering with a locked and sealed research refrigerator. A good ol' Fridgidaire 21.0 cubic foot model will do.
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Preparation is helpful. Fear is not helpful at all.

From one of my favorite science fiction novels:

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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What a great book, appropriate for this situation.
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M Paquette - You seem to be implying with your post that anyone who expresses the slightest concern about the issue of bringing Ebola patients to the US is someone who doesn't believe in science and believes in conspiracy theories and holds a particular political point of view.

I do have some concern as to whether this move was well thought out. I'm not panicked by it, but I do have some concern about things that can go wrong.

Yet, I do believe in science, don't believe in conspiracy and don't have the particular political point of view you seem to think anyone must have to be concerned about this issue.

Reasonable people can differ on their view on this, but I think your post may go a bit far in personalizing the issue.
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And the CDC? They just keep the Ebola strain vials in the lunchroom refrigerator, in the back, on the 3rd shelf up, next to the plastic mayonnaise and ketchup bottles.
With the kind of scary leftovers most office fridges have lingering in them, it's a miracle the world hasn't been wiped out by a three week old moldy pimento cheese sandwich.

Patient Zero: Ed from Accounting, who got the munchies and reached for the wrong thing...
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I am wondering if the virus will still be communicable after the patient recovers.
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So what are you going to do about it anyway? Did you guys write to your congressfolk, CDC administrators, whoever? Go protest in Atlanta? Double your ammo stash to keep the ebola zombies out?

I just moved "ebola doctor being treated at Emory" to the top of my "things I don't worry about and can't control in the least" list.
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I am wondering if the virus will still be communicable after the patient recovers.
We may all get the chance to find out.
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And the CDC? They just keep the Ebola strain vials in the lunchroom refrigerator, in the back, on the 3rd shelf up, next to the plastic mayonnaise and ketchup bottles. Just trying to be more realistic and cost-effective, instead of bothering with a locked and sealed research refrigerator. A good ol' Fridgidaire 21.0 cubic foot model will do.
More than once we caught people putting their lunches in the specimen fridges. Even if they do buy the right equipment you can't always count on people to act responsibly.

I'll watch this with interest from our safe haven in the great white north. Any intelligent Ebola virus would run away and never come back if it ended up in a Wisconsin winter...
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I do have concerns that the handling of all hazardous materials be done properly.

Please note that my understanding of proper handling is not based on popular movies or other works of entertainment, however. I've spent some time crawling about in contaminated reactor equipment, where there are similar handling and containment concerns.

I do not currently have any reason to believe that either Phoenix Air and their use of an aeromedical Biological Containment System, or Emory University Hospital and their specialized high-containment facility are mishandling or are likely to mishandle the patient, samples, or potentially contaminated materials.

The newspapers are referring to an 'isolation' unit. As I recall this one is a Biosafety Level 3 facility, for what that's worth.

I do not believe any Ebola samples are currently stored in lunchroom refrigerators, either at the CDC or Emory University Hospital. It's 'fun' to talk about, for varying degrees of 'fun', I suppose.

I do not believe there is a CDC conspiracy to cover up anything related to the disease.

I do not believe there is a hidden nuclear device or five story high 'core' filled with automated lasers within the hospital, so those fearing a scenario similar to the "Andromeda Strain" are not likely to see that.

Ebola has not been associated with outbreaks of the walking dead, zombieism, or Deadites.

It's one thing to not trust 'the government'. It's quite different to live in fear that someone, somewhere, just might make a mistake leading to eventual bad, bad stuff happening. We've been living in conditions where THAT could happen for several generations now. It's nothing new. Yes, someday, someone may screw up, bad things may happen, and the survivors may be really annoyed. I don't particularly plan my day around that event, though.

Every day, someone somewhere could make this a really bad day for the rest of us. One "Oopsie" at Hanford or Oak Ridge, one "butterfingers" at the State Research Centre of Virology and Biotechnology in Russia, one little slip at Mount Sinai School of Medicine on their 1918 H1N1 reconstruction and we could have a problem. Unless, you know, training kicks in and people remember where the bleach is.

Frankly, you take a bigger risk getting into your car. Daily deaths in US auto accidents rival the daily Ebola death rate, as do daily deaths from chronic liver disease and cirrhosis. Have another drink.

Time to get a grip on reality, folks.
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I just moved "ebola doctor being treated at Emery" to the top of my "things I don't worry about and can't control in the least" list.
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Frankly, I think I have a better chance of winning the lottery than catching ebola as a result of one guy in a hospital far away having it.
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FWIW, I'm with Brewer. It was Docs' choice to go to Africa and they should be taking all of the risk. If I were to follow the dollar, maybe a drug company is hoping to get some of the Doc's' antibodies and make a vaccine, nah - that would be beyond greed. Didn't these Docs take the oath: Above All, Do No Harm ? There are two harms: 1) The actual chance of something going wrong, 2) The fear, rational or irrational, that has already occurred among too many Americans.

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I do have concerns that the handling of all hazardous materials be done properly.

Please note that my understanding of proper handling is not based on popular movies or other works of entertainment, however. I've spent some time crawling about in contaminated reactor equipment, where there are similar handling and containment concerns.

I do not currently have any reason to believe that either Phoenix Air and their use of an aeromedical Biological Containment System, or Emory University Hospital and their specialized high-containment facility are mishandling or are likely to mishandle the patient, samples, or potentially contaminated materials.

The newspapers are referring to an 'isolation' unit. As I recall this one is a Biosafety Level 3 facility, for what that's worth.

I do not believe any Ebola samples are currently stored in lunchroom refrigerators, either at the CDC or Emory University Hospital. It's 'fun' to talk about, for varying degrees of 'fun', I suppose.

I do not believe there is a CDC conspiracy to cover up anything related to the disease.

I do not believe there is a hidden nuclear device or five story high 'core' filled with automated lasers within the hospital, so those fearing a scenario similar to the "Andromeda Strain" are not likely to see that.

Ebola has not been associated with outbreaks of the walking dead, zombieism, or Deadites.

It's one thing to not trust 'the government'. It's quite different to live in fear that someone, somewhere, just might make a mistake leading to eventual bad, bad stuff happening. We've been living in conditions where THAT could happen for several generations now. It's nothing new. Yes, someday, someone may screw up, bad things may happen, and the survivors may be really annoyed. I don't particularly plan my day around that event, though.

Every day, someone somewhere could make this a really bad day for the rest of us. One "Oopsie" at Hanford or Oak Ridge, one "butterfingers" at the State Research Centre of Virology and Biotechnology in Russia, one little slip at Mount Sinai School of Medicine on their 1918 H1N1 reconstruction and we could have a problem. Unless, you know, training kicks in and people remember where the bleach is.

Frankly, you take a bigger risk getting into your car. Daily deaths in US auto accidents rival the daily Ebola death rate, as do daily deaths from chronic liver disease and cirrhosis. Have another drink.

Time to get a grip on reality, folks.

Grip whatever you like. What I have a real problem with is that arrogant people at CDC allowed a known infected person into the US pretty much without so much as a by-your-leave. We are talking about one of the most deadly viruses on the planet. Will these arrogant fools do everything they can to contain the virus? Of course. But the fact remains that they have unnecessarily exposed the US population to the risk of this stuff escaping containment.

I think you will note that I am not a tinfoil helmet type, especially as I have seen many of the objects of conspiracy theories up close and they are incapable of managing their way out of a wet paper bag.
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Good news, everyone!

Subcommittee Hearing: Combating the Ebola Threat | House Committee on Foreign Affairs - Ed Royce, Chairman

Now we'll see some real action.
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Grip whatever you like. What I have a real problem with is that arrogant people at CDC allowed a known infected person into the US pretty much without so much as a by-your-leave.
Whereas under normal procedures, if a person suspected of carrying a disease is found at a US port of entry... They would be placed in isolation and under observation at a nearby properly equipped facility per 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71. This is not unlike what has happened.

Under normal conditions, the CDC can advise for or against transporting a US citizen patient. They can place persons carrying diseases on a Do Not Board list for commercial air carriers. They can't ban medevac flights. They can enforce quarantine at US ports of entry.

You may wish to address this matter to your Congressman. I suspect that a constitutional amendment may be needed.
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Whereas under normal procedures, if a person suspected of carrying a disease is found at a US port of entry... They would be placed in isolation and under observation at a nearby properly equipped facility per 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71. This is not unlike what has happened.

Under normal conditions, the CDC can advise for or against transporting a US citizen patient. They can place persons carrying diseases on a Do Not Board list for commercial air carriers. They can't ban medevac flights. They can enforce quarantine at US ports of entry.

You may wish to address this matter to your Congressman. I suspect that a constitutional amendment may be needed.
OK, you win. Everything is wonderful. The CDC and all associated organizations are wizards and nothing bad will ever happen on their watch. Let's all hold hands and spell out "EBOLA" to be visible from space to welcome the infected to our shores.

I think I will go see if I can find a few more cases of MREs and perhaps whatever kind of suit will allegedly allow me to keep from being exposed to pathogens.
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CDC is setting a new precedent without oversight.. That's why I am concerned... I don't believe yhat ebola will be an issue here, but our borders are already too vulnerable.
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These are US citizens. That should count for something. And besides, I wonder if there is any law that could prevent them from coming home if they so wished.
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These are US citizens. That should count for something. And besides, I wonder if there is any law that could prevent them from coming home if they so wished.
Easy, just declare them to be terrorists and put them on the no fly list. Apparently that can be done for any reason, at any time, without any way to appeal it.
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