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Old 03-26-2019, 03:57 PM   #1
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EMP Attack Risk

Like things are calming down, we need something new to worry about.

Try this article from Zero Hedge, for a look at one you probably weren't thinking about this morning. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...sks-emp-attack

If you don't want to read it here, try Electromagnetic Pulse attack in google.

It appears the president may be planning to give an executive order to study.
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Old 03-26-2019, 04:03 PM   #2
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Well that’s scary.
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EMP risk has been known for decades. The Soviets equipped some military aircraft with vacuum tubes rather than transistors since tubes can handle EMPs. Anyone concerned about EMP risk can store emergency equipment, like a radio, in a Faraday cage, most metal boxes will do.
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This is why you learn how to go backpacking and live without any electronics and without any electricity for at least a couple weeks at a time.

Of course, folks who rely on refrigerated medicines and the grid are SOL. That means one had better stay very healthy by exercising and eating right. If one is on a prescription drug, then it is probably too late for them.
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Anyone concerned about EMP risk can store emergency equipment, like a radio, in a Faraday cage, most metal boxes will do.
I venture to guess that most radios would not work since the transmitters are pretty much all using solid state equipment. This would be the true test of off the grid living...and one I have no desire to endure.
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That's a reason for that stored radio to have shortwave reception capability.
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This was the factoid the MSM didn't mention when North Korea developed a missile that could reach the US.
The "experts" quoted in the news where crowing about how it didn't matter because NK did not have a guidance system to hit a target.
With an EMP you don't even need to get close. Anywhere over the continent will do.
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EMP risk has been known for decades. The Soviets equipped some military aircraft with vacuum tubes rather than transistors since tubes can handle EMPs. Anyone concerned about EMP risk can store emergency equipment, like a radio, in a Faraday cage, most metal boxes will do.
Thats one benefit that MIGHT come out of some national review of EMPs.
Hopefully it would settle the Faraday cage discussion once and for all.
Some say its gotta be grounded.
Some say grounding provides a greater pathway for the energy pulse to reach the gear inside.
Some say a metal car will be ok (deflects some lightning strikes)... others say it's electronics will be fried.
Lets spend some tax dollars zapping stuff and see what does and doesn't survive.
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Remember... no electricity, no gas at the pumps. No transportation for the necessities... like food... and... if inthe winter... well....
...and on and on and on...

Sounds like 90% of the population would be wiped out. Also... veiled threat by China which does have the capabilities for a weapon of the the weight required.
The Youtube video is worth a look, especially where it notes that the recovery time is far from overnight, which is what we've been used to. Neither tools, nor equipment, nor parts to repair parts of the grid which would be knocked out.

Now... to the important stuff... What happened in the Smollett case?
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When I first saw this, I thought TromboneAl was planning a new book

My game plan: I have several friends with acreage in central MO. I would drive out here with the gas I have in my car. Pull the trailer. Water in the creek. Fields to farm. Wild game. I am not a hunter, but my friends are, and I can learn.

But, in reality, that is just a far out scenario that will never happen (I hope)
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Now... to the important stuff... What happened in the Smollett case?
I would comment on this, but then Porky would come around .
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And here is an essay that may make you feel better.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...me-think-24005



Now, a Carrington Event is something to worry about.
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Well, look at the bright side, it might stop Rachel from Card Services from calling for awhile.

Then there's

"Oh, yes, you claim to have millions of dollars invested. Show me a recent statement sent by the broker. Oh, you signed up for electronic statements? As the saying goes, 'No backups? No sympathy!' Next!"
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I knew about EMP attacks when I was in college late 70s.
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EMP risk has been known for decades. The Soviets equipped some military aircraft with vacuum tubes rather than transistors since tubes can handle EMPs. Anyone concerned about EMP risk can store emergency equipment, like a radio, in a Faraday cage, most metal boxes will do.
Oh good - safe deposit box in bank.
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And here is an essay that may make you feel better.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...me-think-24005



Now, a Carrington Event is something to worry about.
I don't want to show off my stylish tin foil hat, but that article is either way out of date or way off in their estimations... smells almost desperate to make their point.

North Korea (belittled into the incapable category in the link) last test in 2017 was estimated by seismic data to have been a 250Kton thermonuclear warhead. 2.5 times what the link claimed is required.
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Oh good - safe deposit box in bank.
With an electronic lock to the safe.

It would be much easier to launch a cyber attack than detonate an EMP.
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EMP attack (or massive solar event with similar effects): Highly improbable.

High lethality flu pandemic: Highly improbable
Meteor strike causing widespread woe: Highly improbable.


Highly improbable events with very high impact: If worthwhile hedging/insurance can be had for a minuscule cost--worth consideration.
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EMP attack (or massive solar event with similar effects): Highly improbable.

High lethality flu pandemic: Highly improbable
Meteor strike causing widespread woe: Highly improbable.


Highly improbable events with very high impact: If worthwhile hedging/insurance can be had for a minuscule cost--worth consideration.
Flu epidemic leapt off the screen. The 1918 flu killed more than WWI.
During one of the last Chinese flu scares... sometime in 2008-2011ish time frame the household name Megacorp I worked at was scared enough to divert a massive amount of management manpower to go off and (very quietly) work a business continuation plan in the event there were mass quarantines.
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It's a little messier than the doomsday websites claim it to be.

A faraday cage would take care of EMP on most electronics, and many things act like one in some sort of fashion or other. The current electrical grid is under threat from kamikaze squirrels and larger so probably not something to lose sleep over.
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