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You know, every time I read somehing like this, I just get this feeling that the person writing it is only too willing to sacrifice other people, just so long as they get to keep their comfy little life tgether as it suits them.
I was already over there (Iraq) the first time with the USMC infantry(disabled vet). *My brother is a combat medic in the Army and is over there NOW. *

Where have you been? Probably enjoying your comfy little life...thanks to veterans past and present. * You know what they say about the word "assume" right. *

BTW I wish we never had to sacrifice one life. *War is a sad but necessary evil. *Just think of all the lives we could have saved by coming to action against Germany BEFORE the mass killings began? *

So I take it you want to just kick back, do nothing, allow them to build up thier arsenal, then bomb the piss out of us and Isreal, with nuclear weapons, causing Mass Casualties.

I think you have this all backwards
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I think that quote descibes you!!! *

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I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of one plan for peace. " Books, not Bombs" won't work. The head mullahs won't let anyone read them. If they do, they poke their eyes out.

Here's the plan:

1) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of them 'good old boys'. We will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No more sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are.* They are Illegal!!! France would welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself, don't hide here. Asylum would not ever be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign"students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else.

8. If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere". They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides' most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if any anyway.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, it would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

9b) Use the buildings as replacement for the twin towers.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer.

Now, ain't that a winner of a plan.

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'" - Robin Williams.

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So I take it you want to just kick back, do nothing, allow them to build up thier arsenal, then bomb the piss out of us and Isreal, with nuclear weapons, causing Mass Casualties.
Why do there have to be only two options: either pre-emptive strike, or sitting back and smoking a joint? How about: Watch them like a hawk, and put them on notice that if they throw so much as a rock over the border at someone else, Armageddon will come down on their heads?

I don't trust the government of Iran, but I can't go along with killing people just because they might do something. Plain and simple. Yes, this means that if they so choose, they would be able to get one strike in somewhere. But that would also be the last thing they ever did.

What's wrong with that policy?

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Old 04-21-2006, 03:23 AM   #64
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#1.* It is our duty and obligation to protect our country and our allies from attack from a foreign entity.

#2.* They have already threatened to wipe Isreal off the map.*

#3.* They already admitted to starting a Nuclear program and won't stop.

Read between the lines.* Do we act or react? The first stones have already been thrown in my book.
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Yes, this means that if they so choose, they would be able to get one strike in somewhere. But that would also be the last thing they ever did.
So your willing to just let them strike first on US soil or its allies after they develop the technology? Wow!!! Now THAT, is scary!!! Political correctness has blinded you man.
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#1. It is our duty and obligation to protect our country and our allies from attack from a foreign entity.

#2. They have already threatened to wipe Isreal off the map.

#3. They already admitted to starting a Nuclear program and won't stop.

Read between the lines. Do we act or react?
React. Be prepared to do it, and do it forcefully when needed, but react.
They can talk all they like (and being the blowhards that they are, they will talk a lot), but I just can't go along with being goaded into firing the first shot.

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So your willing to just let them strike first on US soil or its allies after they develop the technology? Wow!!! Now THAT, is scary!!! Political correctness has blinded you man.
Political correctness has nothing to do with it.
I don't believe in political correctness.

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But you're still willing to take the first punch for us? You do know how many lives that would cost right?
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BTW I wish we never had to sacrifice one life. *War is a sad but necessary evil. *Just think of all the lives we could have saved by coming to action against Germany BEFORE the mass killings began? *

So I take it you want to just kick back, do nothing, allow them to build up thier arsenal, then bomb the piss out of us and Isreal, with nuclear weapons, causing Mass Casualties.
Well, I am happy you are happy about having gone to war. Bully for you. Doesn't make a whit of difference, though. I still want my $937 back (US per capita military spending in latest available figures).

Our foreign policy right now is, in a word, moronic. The situation in Iran is that there is a shaky leader who was elected by a thin margin after rallying his far right base to put him over the top (sound familar?). Things aren't all that great in Iran's economy, so said leader has had to cast about for something to shore up his position. So he chose to push forward on nuclear development. This understandably spooked others in the international community and caused an external reacton, which the leader used to rally more support behind him. The US, "ably" led by some of the weakest minds in realpolitik I hve seen in decades, further inflamed the situation by sabre-rattling, which plays right into the hands of Iran's keadership wth its internal political issues. In turn, Iran's leaders know that the US is quite unlikely to actually start a war, and if that were to happen, the current leadership would be all the more entrenched.

So what should we have done instead? Backed off and calmly pursued a diplomatic solution and just waited for the political situation in Iran to run its course (i.e. the next election coming up would likely have seen the current bunch toosed out on their ear). But instead, the administration did exactly the same stupid things it did with Venezuela. It is so transparently foolish that the whole thing makes me want to laugh, except that the consequences are potentially dire. Its almost as if they are a bunch of war profiteers who WANT to be involved in more conflicts... Hey!!!

Let's just hope things stay stalemated until we get a democratic congress.
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I'm sure that doesn't color your willingness to start a war.
In all honesty combat skills and small unit tactics is one area I am very good at. Once you come to realize people will die because of orders you give, but are able to come to terms with that knowledge, it is easier to put it out of your mind and do the job you are paid to do. Nobody wants to go to war. If you do you're an idiot, but sometimes it is neccessary.

The case in Iraq we never stopped bombing them, ever. We bombed them throughout the '90's. It wasn't reported, because it was happening so often, that it wasn't news worthy. So did the war ever end? Not in my book. If someone punches you in the face and you clean the person's clock, so they beg for mercy, but they continue to swing at you. Is the fight really over? The fight is only over if the person who asked for it to stop stops fighting. Iraqi forces routinely locked their radar targeting systems on our planes. Do we wait until he actually shoots one down or do we blow up his radar sites? Our planes were better than his forces so chose the latter, and the bombings never made the news.
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Well, I am happy you are happy about having gone to war.* Bully for you.* Doesn't make a whit of difference, though.* I still want my $937 back (US per capita military spending in latest available figures).
Brewer, you are great about finance, but out of your depth on foreign policy. Also, you are unnecessarily hostile to those who have other opinions. There really is too much for any of us to know the whole story.

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Brewer, you are great about finance, but out of your depth on foreign policy. Also, you are unnecessarily hostile to those who have other opinions. There really is too much for any of us to know the whole story.

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Sorry, but this is an area of strongly-held (and apparently unpopular) opinion for me.

Oh, and I have yet to see the president or other leader that doesn't deserve to be second guessed and forced to account for their actions.
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I think Brewer hit the nail pretty squarely on the head. When it comes to foreign policy, this really is the most moronic and incompetent administration the US has had in my adult life. Their election majority was achieved by whipping up three relatively unsophisticated one-issue interest groups: 1) the religious fundamentalists, 2) the NRA more guns for everyone voter, and 3) the homophobics. It is very important that Karl Rove keep these three goups whipped into a frenzy so they will go vote Republican. That is the focus of this administration. Their foriegn policy is nothing more than choosing what action will keep their voter base coming back to the polls.
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Or at least, that's what Pravda says.......
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Or at least, that's what Pravda says.......
I'm really proud of how well my Cyrillic keyboard types english here.

Hey, now I have an excuse for all the typos...
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"THEM" are muslim extremists and the countries that provide safe harbor and support to "Them".
I'll agree with William F. Buckley Jr. Two of the biggest threats to American democracy are Muslim extremists...and neoconservatives. They go together like peas in a pod.
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I'll agree with William F. Buckley Jr. Two of the biggest threats to American democracy are Muslim extremists...and neoconservatives. They go together like peas in a pod.
I have to agree with that too. I wonder if William F. Buckley struggles as much as I do with figuring out the ranking between these two.
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I have to agree with that too.* I wonder if William F. Buckley struggles as much as I do with figuring out the ranking between these two.* *
You don't seem to be struggling with that at all.......... It's obvious as you wear it on your sleeve.
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You don't seem to be struggling with that at all..........* It's obvious as you wear it on your sleeve.
Nothing I've said has indicated I don't take the threat of radical muslims seriously. I commented on how poorly the current administration is handling foreign relations. The primary reason that bothers me is because their poor handling is exacerbating the radical muslim problem instead of fixing it. If I weren't worried about how others in the world act and react toward us, I wouldn't care how badly Rumsfeld and W screw it up.

I kinda hoped my position was obvious (you wear it on your sleeve). If I had not wanted my position to be obvious, I would not have posted on the subject. Do you think your position is less obvious? If so, why bother to post? If not, why the comment about my position?

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I kinda hoped my position was obvious
Your position is obvious.* I questioned why you said you were struggling with "figuring out the ranking between these two."* You clearly have made your decision on the ranking.
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