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06-13-2019, 08:18 AM
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For Book: Gun Question
I want the murderer in my book to use a pistol that's illegal. I'm considering this one, which is illegal in California:
https://www.full30.com/watch/MDExOTk...g-not-a-pistol
The thing is: it weights six pounds, and the murderer is a petite woman. But she's very strong.
Would it be silly to have a woman use such a heavy pistol?
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06-13-2019, 08:23 AM
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Because California has an "approved" firearm list and that list is pretty short when compared to all of the firearms manufactured, you have many choices of illegal firearms.
Does the firearm have to be illegal only in Cali or in the US?
My opinion on your current choice is that it is not readily concealable and probably not the first choice of a female (but you will need a female opinion on that)
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns
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06-13-2019, 08:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by erkevin
Because California has an "approved" firearm list and that list is pretty short when compared to all of the firearms manufactured, you have many choices of illegal firearms.
Does the firearm have to be illegal only in Cali or in the US?
My opinion on your current choice is that it is not readily concealable and probably not the first choice of a female (but you will need a female opinion on that)
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns
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+1
Most any high capacity weapons are illegal due to their magazines.
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06-13-2019, 08:29 AM
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9mm Uzi smg/full auto
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Elementary, Watson. The bullet was first rubbed on an arrow poison frog
06-13-2019, 09:29 AM
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Elementary, Watson. The bullet was first rubbed on an arrow poison frog
If you want to toss in an element of illegality, suppose it's not the gun that's naughty but the ammunition? Armor-piercing or explosive bullets are outlawed most places, but could be fired from a variety of handguns. That gives you more flexibility in choosing a pistol suitable for a diminutive female shooter.
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06-13-2019, 10:19 AM
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Mdlerth,
Very clever idea!
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06-13-2019, 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mdlerth
If you want to toss in an element of illegality, suppose it's not the gun that's naughty but the ammunition? Armor-piercing or explosive bullets are outlawed most places, but could be fired from a variety of handguns. That gives you more flexibility in choosing a pistol suitable for a diminutive female shooter.
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Great idea.... or perhaps just any old police revolver with its serial numbers ground off....
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06-13-2019, 10:27 AM
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Also, check out the laws on 3D printed pistols. They call them ghost guns because there is no serial number on them, which essentially makes them illegal everywhere. I think that would be an interesting twist to a story!
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06-13-2019, 10:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mdlerth
If you want to toss in an element of illegality, suppose it's not the gun that's naughty but the ammunition? Armor-piercing or explosive bullets are outlawed most places, but could be fired from a variety of handguns. That gives you more flexibility in choosing a pistol suitable for a diminutive female shooter.
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There you go Al, a derringer shooting explosive rounds!
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06-13-2019, 10:45 AM
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If it is a full auto, it is probably illegal for a not regulated person to own. But it is also a 30 year old pistol/sub machine gun. Most guns are illegal in California. All guns are illegal for her in California if she does not have a valid license.
Part of the question is when she would use it is how is she using it and how is she transporting it? It is harder to conceal then a normal pistol.
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06-13-2019, 10:59 AM
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06-13-2019, 11:25 AM
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Maybe a TEC-9? Illegal in California (and several other states), but widely available (used) elsewhere in the US. Weighs less than 3 lbs empty, half the weight of the Spectre M4. Both use 9x19mm parabellum rounds in large magazines and are capable of throwing substantial amounts of lead downrange in short order.
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06-13-2019, 12:03 PM
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Or, you could check your local news for stories about women murdering people using illegal guns, and use the same model as they actually use in real life.
If news stories like that are difficult to find, then possibly a similar fictional story would seem quite unrealistic. You could have the female murderer use some other method such as killing the victim with kindness... or with outstandingly bad cooking... food poisoning maybe?
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06-13-2019, 12:40 PM
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A different twist on a murder weapon.....
https://throwflame.com/
Legal in CA
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06-13-2019, 12:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strobot
Also, check out the laws on 3D printed pistols. They call them ghost guns because there is no serial number on them, which essentially makes them illegal everywhere.
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This is just wrong, they are perfectly legal in the US. They are called 'ghost guns' because people who want to take away guns always try to play the 'fear' card by making up scary terms to justify doing so, and 'home made gun' just doesn't sound scary enough.
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06-13-2019, 12:46 PM
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Soon to be illegal in Connecticut (as of 10/1/19). Don't know about any other states.
https://apnews.com/4547476e46f746d29ffccb3ea9cca0d9
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One measure signed by Gov. Ned Lamont, a Democrat, bans guns that do not have serial numbers. So-called ghost guns are typically sold in parts that can be assembled at home and have not been required to have serial numbers, making them difficult to trace.
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06-13-2019, 12:56 PM
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.38 auto would be a much smaller gun for realism.
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06-13-2019, 01:03 PM
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But please, whatever you do, don't put a silencer on it and let her shoot it and the person that is 10 feet away hears nothing.
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06-13-2019, 03:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiliPepr
But please, whatever you do, don't put a silencer on it and let her shoot it and the person that is 10 feet away hears nothing.
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Looking back, I've had suppressors in three of my books, but they are never silent.
"The shot wasn’t totally silent, even with the suppressor, but there was some kind of electrical motor running down in the basement. They wouldn’t have heard anything."
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