Foreclosure Land

youbet said:
I'm curious as to what this actually means? Throw back the keys to the lender? I thought it meant defaulting on your mortgage and subsequently your credit rating going down the toilet. Can you walk away without consequences as this term seems to imply?

``I told the bank to come get the keys and just let me know when we need to be out"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=an4wlQaDRorE&refer=exclusive

There used to be shame and embarrassment when one defaulted on debt, today there seems to be an air of detachment on the part of many. Easy come...easy go...
 
I think the segment of the population whose homes go into foreclosure and who don't care is small. There are some who looked at their home as a piggy bank but I suspect many signed for loans they didn't understand or they are among many in community who lost their job so there is no liquidity in their housing market.

The reality is that their grief will echo down the national financial pipeline and through their communities. I think the states (at least) should tighten up mortgage laws so that exploitative lenders will be roped in.

For the communities who have suffered job losses I feel the pain as the NW went through that when the Spotted Owl was declared endangered and the wood products industry imploded. It took ~10 years to redirect the economy.
 
tangomonster said:
What slayed me was an article I read in a women's magazine about dealing with "adult" children. They cited one example of a 26 year old who wanted a $500K home. Parents are holding the mortgage for her. She pays them back a higher interest than they could get on CDs but has a very understanding/
forgiving lender if she has a shortfall one month and gets into more housing than she could have qualified for. Supposedly a win-win situation for both. But why the hell does a 26 year old need a $500K house? What is wrong in having a starter home and working her way up to a McMansion?
It may have been a "win-win situation" for both. Did the article say how much she was earning?

Also, did the article say where the home was located? It may not have been a McMansion. Maybe it was in NYC (or a nice suburb), or Silicon Valley.
 
tangomonster said:
But why the hell does a 26 year old need a $500K house? What is wrong in having a starter home and working her way up to a McMansion?

In many markets $500,000 is a starter home, and not a very nice one at that.

Ha
 
In my neighborhood $500k usually means a townhouse or condo. You might be able to get a 50 year old, 1000 sq ft ranch for that price if you get lucky?

At these prices you can easily imagine why someone would jump at a risky loan if it was the only possible way to buy a house and real estate prices (based on short term data) seem to go no where but up.

MB
 
This prolly sounds callous but I am not sure I have much sympathy for anybody involved. Now there are many exceptions to the scenario I'm about to outline, but in general I think this is what we are seeing.

A couple of years ago, a person/couple with marginal credit tries to purchase a home that can't afford, rather than wait and save more money for the down, wait and try to restablish there credit, or settle for someplace less expensive, they get greedy and decide to gamble. Gamble that the housing price will continue to go up, interest rates stay down, and their income will go up to afford the higher future payments.

They go to see the friendly mortgage broker. The broker knowing, that with marginal credit, zero or small down payment, and without sufficient income to qualify for a conventional loan, he will have to get creative to earn his fee. More often than not the broker and borrower pad income, lie about the source of the down payment, and generally turn the loan application into a novel not a documentary.
You add this fudging to teaser rates, negative amortization, ballon payments etc. and you have a receipe for disaster. Now, I can understand how the average not-so-financially-astute person can be confused about variable payment loans. But every loan application has a section, in big bold letters, where you swear under penalty of perjury that everything you filled out is truthful. So when the poor 67 year old lady signs the papers saying she makes 1,500 a month in a job that she hasn't had for 10 years, not the $540 she actually gets my sympathy goes away. Of course the broker is gambling also that nobody will double check the loan figures, and he'll be long gone before the fraud is detected.

The sub-prime lender is happy to make these loans because they know they can resell the loans to greedy investors and other institutions. The greedy investors looking at 4% CD rates are happy to get 8% on sub-prime mortgage cause they think the risk of default is very low.

So we fast forward to present day. The couple finds that once the teaser rates have ended they can't make the mortgage. They can't refi because house prices have stopped going up. I don't have a lot of sympathy for them because they didn't put much down payment, they were living beyond there means, and for the most part they got to live in a nice place at virtually the same cost as rent.

The mortgage brokers are losing their jobs, while am I sure many were honest, I suspect most cut corners so no sympathy from me.
The sub-primer lenders are heading for bankruptcy, they knew what they were doing. Actually New Century Financial Chairmen Robert Cole who sold 150,000 shares @$40 last summer really knew what he was doing!.

The investor and instutitions who bought sub-prime loans at 8%+ got a lesson on the dangers of loaning money to people with bad credit. Actually probably the biggest victims are the shareholders, and the admin and support personal of the subprime lenders.

The good news is that once again we will see a widening in interest rates between those people and institutions who pay back borrowed money and those with a checkered history.
 
tangomonster--I don't know the details of your transaction, but if the buyer were using a VA loan, the lending regulations are very strict. He might be able to afford the condo (does VA loan on those?), but because of the VA's requirements he had to go through many loops.
 
Yup, the VA does do loans on condos and the buyer tried to obtain one, but couldn't. He had to go with a regular mortgage.
 
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