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Old 06-24-2015, 05:48 PM   #181
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Bummer drought for California. When it starts raining, I predict the drought will be over in one rainy season like Texas experienced the past two weeks. Don't over react. Rain and snow will come and California will green up! Our nation depends upon the produce from California!


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Bummer drought for California. When it starts raining, I predict the drought will be over in one rainy season like Texas experienced the past two weeks. Don't over react. Rain and snow will come and California will green up! Our nation depends upon the produce from California!


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Have you read about the floods of 1861 which forced the state capital to move from Sacramento to San Francisco for a while, flooded the west side of the central valley and filled some of the lake beds in the Mohave desert. I go a bit further and suspect Ca may get that level of drought breaking storm.
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Old 06-24-2015, 06:15 PM   #183
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Have you read about the floods of 1861 which forced the state capital to move from Sacramento to San Francisco for a while, flooded the west side of the central valley and filled some of the lake beds in the Mohave desert. I go a bit further and suspect Ca may get that level of drought breaking storm.
Yup, climate is even more likely to gravitate to average than market returns, interest rates, or inflation rates. Given enough time, that is...
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Let's hope so.

Along with the news that San Diego is bringing online its new desalination plant, we are reminded that Santa Barbara built such a plant in the early 90s, which was then mothballed as rainwater returned. Santa Barbara is looking to reactivate this plant soon. It will be good if they won't have to.
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I think we tend forget that much of California is a desert. An earlier poster talked of golf courses in Palm Springs, a playground for millionaires, that are watered with well water.

I wonder how much that well pumping has lowered the water table. People who are not familiar with the area can get an idea of the climate there by seeing a recent photo of a subdivision in Cathedral City, a town not too far from Palm Springs (this photo is linked from Bloomberg).

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Bummer drought for California. When it starts raining, I predict the drought will be over in one rainy season like Texas experienced the past two weeks. Don't over react. Rain and snow will come and California will green up! Our nation depends upon the produce from California!


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I do not think the drought is actually over for the whole state... just looked... there is just a bit less than 7% of the state that has mild drought...compared with 65% at the beginning of the year... that is mild...



Also, the aquifers will take a LONG time to recover.... and I bet they will not do so in California ever....
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Well - our water useage in San Diego will be the lowest ever.... Since we're not there.

That said- we're not complete yet on our master bath remodel but DH did plumb the sewer lines so that showers have a diverter - can go to main sewer line or backyard to water the (currently brown and dead) lawn. During our remodel, since there is no shower, we've been using our outdoor shower which is already watering some fruit trees and a hedge.

San Diego has a full separate "purple" water line that is reclaimed, non-potable, water for watering public parks and green spaces (sides of freeways for example) as well as for private commercial use (business park landscaping, golf courses, etc.) But not all golf courses are tied into it. Private residences do not have access to the purple water lines - and it seems most folks still have very green lawns.
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I think we tend forget that much of California is a desert. An earlier poster talked of golf courses in Palm Springs, a playground for millionaires, that are watered with well water.

I wonder how much that well pumping has lowered the water table. People who are not familiar with the area can get an idea of the climate there by seeing a recent photo of a subdivision in Cathedral City, a town not too far from Palm Springs (this photo is linked from Bloomberg).

Very stark photo. I looked at the area in google maps, and that photo is not a exception at all. Green lawns, golf courses, and ponds are commonly seen right up against desert. Zoom and pan around to see for yourself.

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I don't know. There are few places on earth where people can live without some intervention using modern technologies. If not too dry, then it may be too hot or too cold, or hazardous with the threat of floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, typhoons, etc... If it's not one thing, it's 'nother. Mother Nature is brutal, not at all gentle.

The current heat wave around the world just killed 800 in Pakistan. Earlier, it killed 1200 in India.
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I don't know. There are few places on earth where people can live without some intervention using modern technologies. If not too dry, then it may be too hot or too cold, or hazardous with the threat of floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, typhoons, etc... If it's not one thing, it's 'nother. Mother Nature is brutal, not at all gentle. ...
True, and here in the Midwest we heat most of the winter and run some AC in summer. I think the difference is, with those green lawns, golf courses, and ponds, they aren't just trying to make their inside comfortable, they are trying to change the outdoors as well.

We don't try to heat up the outdoors and melt the snow in our yards and keep the grass green all winter. We heat/cool the indoors, and push the snow out of our way if needed. Many of us just let the grass go dormant if we get a drought.

So I have no problem with people living there, but why not do appropriate landscaping?

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Meanwhile I am beginning to think that we are locally at risk of not having any place to put any more water.
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I can see it now. California headlines: Midwest Big Agriculture hogging the United States water for itself.

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Very stark photo. I looked at the area in google maps, and that photo is not a exception at all. Green lawns, golf courses, and ponds are commonly seen right up against desert. Zoom and pan around to see for yourself.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7936.../data=!3m1!1e3

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I think there needs to be a cultural shift in Southern CA. We need to move away from lawns, and do more drought tolerant landscaping. My aunt and cousins live in Arizona. They don't have lawns... they have pebbles and they have cactus, and some trees....

It makes no sense to have lawn in places where it doesn't rain enough to support it. We get a lot of condensation since we're close to the ocean - that helps the fruit trees... we haven't watered our lawn in more than a year - and that's ok... we've got other drought tolerant plants that are pretty and don't take the water (and mowing) that the lawn does.

Lawns are a holdover from british rule - where they had lots of rain and sheep to "mow" them.
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This is near where a relative lives. Nothing but lakes, rivers, rocks and trees. Oh, it hasn't rained there yet this year.

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Our June rainfall in northern Illinois was 13.77". Normal is 4.02". We could use a little bit of a drought.


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Our June rainfall in northern Illinois was 13.77". Normal is 4.02". We could use a little bit of a drought.


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I think we had the wettest May ever on record here, and June continued the downpours. It is finally stopping and the weather is drying out, but every river, lake and reservoir is bulging at the seams.
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