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Old 06-22-2015, 07:03 PM   #161
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I thought golf courses are watered by effluent, water reclaimed as output from sewage treatment plants.

And speaking of water, we once RV-camped in the park at Lake Cachuma near Santa Barbara. They did not allow swimming in the lake, citing the reason as it being a source for drinking water. I guess they were afraid of dirty swimmers, or peeing ones. I did not see that reason for swimming restriction cited anywhere else.
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Nope. As of April 18 this year, a majority of golf courses in the Coachella Valley (where Palm Springs is located, and which is desert by the way) rely on private wells. See this:

California to require golf courses to cut water use

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The Coachella Valley has one of the largest concentrations of golf courses in the country, and they use nearly one-fourth of the water that is pumped from the ground in the area.
We're not even talking about the Bay Area or the rest of Southern California.
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Forget about asteroids; the coming drought will do us in!

Scottsdale TPC claims to use reclaimed water. As do city parks. The city reprocesses wastewater for irrigation, and some to drinking water standards- according to their website. What I don't understand is how the water gets to the golf courses and parks. I not aware of separate watermains for reclaimed water only.


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This is an absolute crock, and typical mainstream media sensationalist reporting. There is still entirely too much water being wasted in CA to have to resort to bad hygiene. There are way too many golf courses, country clubs, and other resorts wasting water on massive green lawns, too many lawns still being watered period, and way too many instances of mindless water waste (this very afternoon I saw water gushing out of a large pipe onto the sidewalk--it wasn't a leak, just water pouring out of a pipe on the side of a building), and way too many hotels using water hoses to wash down an entire city block. Hell, people don't even limit their showers here.

Not to mention leaky and inefficient irrigation equipment used by farmers. One irresponsible farmer can wipe out the conservation efforts of dozens maybe hundreds of families in the big city.
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About Palm Springs, I have read somewhere that it has the highest per capita water consumption in California. No one can deny the millionaires their golfing green. And they do not have enough effluent as the population density is low there anyway.

I do remember seeing signs on SoCal freeways warning that the water on some landscaped shoulders is effluent and not potable.

About Scottsdale recycled water, they have to have a separate line for lawn watering with effluent. It is not extensive as the potable water mains, hence not that expensive to build and maintain.
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I agree - Scottsdale has to have a separate set of mains for transporting reclaimed water. The water in the lakes and irrigation at Camelback Ranch, spring training home of the Dodgers and White Sox is reclaimed. And the lakes really look like it- they're grey.


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This is an absolute crock, and typical mainstream media sensationalist reporting. There is still entirely too much water being wasted in CA to have to resort to bad hygiene. There are way too many golf courses, country clubs, and other resorts wasting water on massive green lawns, too many lawns still being watered period, and way too many instances of mindless water waste (this very afternoon I saw water gushing out of a large pipe onto the sidewalk--it wasn't a leak, just water pouring out of a pipe on the side of a building), and way too many hotels using water hoses to wash down an entire city block. Hell, people don't even limit their showers here.
Actually if we want to retrofit shower water and sink water as well as rinse water from washing machines qualify as grey water and could be used to irrigate lawns. Of course very few homes have dual sewer pipes and tanks to hold the water until its time to irrigate.
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I have always wondered why water-challenged areas of the country don't require dual waste systems for new construction and use grey water for irrigation... it would also reduce the volume of water going into sewerage treatment plants (though I'm not sure if that would be good or not).

Here, we have the opposite problem... too much water right now... everything is soggy and it is adversely affecting the corn crop.
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Yes, the eastern half of the US has water to share. I wonder if anyone has done a study to see the feasibility of pumping that water to the west. It takes a lot of energy, but maybe that can come from future promising cheap solar power that we currently cannot store in a cost-effective manner.

San Diego is bringing online a desalination plant, which takes a lot of power to run. I wonder if it is going to be solar powered, like plants that Saudi Arabia has.
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Yes, the eastern half of the US has water to share. I wonder if anyone has done a study to see the feasibility of pumping that water to the west. It takes a lot of energy, but maybe that can come from future promising cheap solar power that we currently cannot store in an cost-effective manner.

San Diego is bringing online a desalination plant, which takes a lot of power to run. I wonder if it is going to be solar powered, like plants that Saudi Arabia has.
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I do not know when it started, but as I got older I became much less enamored of high science projects like space exploration and travel, subatomic particle studies, etc... I got much more interested in everyday's problems and how we can solve them. More water for drought areas, cheaper electricity for my AC, better gas mileage for my RV, etc...

The problem with large scale projects in the US is that who will study and spearhead them? We do not trust our government (read the bureaucrats) to do it right and economically, nor the businessmen from not cutting corners and causing collateral damage to the environment or to 3rd parties, nor can we agree on how to assign the cost to people who will benefit from it.
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Not taking a shower does not mean clean there is always the sponge bath I learned how with a broken arm and leg and casts that did not take well to water. You just take a sink and a washcloth and go to town.
OK, I am heading to town right now. But once I arrive, what do I do? You didn't say. I wonder how you got to town with a cast on your arm and leg. Did you take the bus? How did you carry the sink?

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I broke the sink as I tried to decouple it from the wall. Taking the wash cloth was easier than I expected. I guess the difficulties with the sink and the easiness of the wash cloth makes it a wash. I imagine once in town I should buy a new sink--especially since I already have the old sink with me to help me get the right-sized sink. Or maybe I could save some money: does duct tape work on sinks? I figure now that duct tape comes in a wide variety of colors, (my letter-writing campaign obviously was successful) a duct-taped sink might look pretty darn swell.

I'm also wondering if this post should have be placed on the "What Did You Do Today?" thread.

Is everybody's life this complicated?
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Actually if we want to retrofit shower water and sink water as well as rinse water from washing machines qualify as grey water and could be used to irrigate lawns. Of course very few homes have dual sewer pipes and tanks to hold the water until its time to irrigate.
There is a small new housing sub-division close to where I live with the model homes showcasing a water reclamation system that does exactly this.

DW and I were going to go play lookie-loo at these soon. The models were showcased on a local San Diego news cast with the reclamation system.

Me?

I've got the back yard all converted to drip irrigation - no more overspray or run off or water against the house.

Front yard is next.

We have big 3 gallon buckets in all the showers and a big bowl in the kitchen sink to catch grey water to use on decorative plants outside.

I do the "navy shower" routine now and don't really missed long showers - and I'm out quicker.

I'm slowly seeing more neighbors getting rid of their grass lawns (I did about 4 years ago).

It all makes sense.
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OK, I am heading to town right now. But once I arrive, what do I do? You didn't say. I wonder how you got to town with a cast on your arm and leg. Did you take the bus? How did you carry the sink?

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I broke the sink as I tried to decouple it from the wall. Taking the wash cloth was easier than I expected. I guess the difficulties with the sink and the easiness of the wash cloth makes it a wash. I imagine once in town I should buy a new sink--especially since I already have the old sink with me to help me get the right-sized sink. Or maybe I could save some money: does duct tape work on sinks? I figure now that duct tape comes in a wide variety of colors, (my letter-writing campaign obviously was successful) a duct-taped sink might look pretty darn swell.

I'm also wondering if this post should have be placed on the "What Did You Do Today?" thread.

Is everybody's life this complicated?
I remember that in a previous post, you mentioned that you had a bucket that you carried into the library and people looked at you funny. Can you use that bucket instead of the sink? It should work as well, and is even lighter to carry to town on a bus, oui?
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I remember that in a previous post, you mentioned that you had a bucket that you carried into the library and people looked at you funny. Can you use that bucket instead of the sink? It should work as well, and is even lighter to carry to town on a bus, oui?
Nice memory you have there. I probably could use a bucket instead of a sink, except that some people took the bucket away from me awhile back. I wonder if those people were simply jealous of me because for quite some time I was the only one in the library with a bucket. Maybe they thought I was too young to have a bucket. Maybe they thought that I inherited the bucket and didn't really have to work hard for it. Maybe they thought I was showing off and wanted to bring me down to their miserable level.
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I am sorry to hear that your bucket got stolen (or was it forcibly taken from you?) out of envy. That's bad. Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins, as we know.

But in this world, there's always people who do not have their own bucket and have to share, like this...



and some who have several to themselves, like this...





But back on carrying water in a bucket and go to town, look at what I have found.

Would people having to take sponge bath not be envious? I would be.

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If you must know, it was taken by force (not much force, but enough to leave me bucketless). There I was, standing in front of the young adult book section, when this young adult just grabs my bucket and walks away as her two girlfriends simply watched.


I clicked the bar to enlarge the last photo of your post. Interestingly enough, I think I spotted my bucket in the picture. It's the bucket that appears almost red (as opposed to orange) and is almost entirely obscured by a blue bucket. As you look at the photo, it's behind a guy in a white shirt who is behind of what a appears to be a women dressed in green who is behind of a guy in a blue shirt.
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We have a water recycling system at our place that is quite efficient. Its called a septic system. The horses love the nice lush green grass. At this time of the year SW Oregon is actually quite dry
So every little bit helps.
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We have a water recycling system at our place that is quite efficient. Its called a septic system. The horses love the nice lush green grass. At this time of the year SW Oregon is actually quite dry
So every little bit helps.

Your post reminded me of our septic system 20 years ago when we bought a new home then. Lateral lines wouldn't perk right pooling up to surface causing a lot of wet green areas. Called builder to fix the problem. After a careful engineering study he "fixed the problem" by extending the line to a nearby ditch and hiding the open pipe with rocks.


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