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Old 02-20-2008, 11:35 AM   #21
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You maybe should have told him to secure his router. And maybe you should secure yours too. A third party could interfere with either of you.
Actually, I did advice him to secure his, but don't think he ever did. I had mine secured (WEP), but when the router crumped, my computer automatically went to the closest one, and it was unsecured. And Verizon made out, they were receiving monthly payments from both of us, but only one of us were connected.

About third parties, there wouldn't be any of those around the Washington DC area, would there?
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:39 AM   #22
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ATT DSL ten bux per month. You must be a current ATT land line subscriber and never had their DSL service before. My monthly bill for DSL plus land line = $28.xx, taxes included.

Yeah, it's their slowest DSL, but compared to my old dial-up service, it's lightning fast!
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I think you'd be the first to do it.
I'd be pretty surprised to find out that an old retired marketing guy was the first.

But it may not even be necessary to break the key. You might be able to buy it.

http://tech.propeller.com/story/2006...skys-ssl-hell/

Do note that most brute force keybreaks are only hard if you dont know who the two parties are having the conversation, and you dont have ready access to some of the material that they're passing within the encryption.
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You maybe should have told him to secure his router. And maybe you should secure yours too. A third party could interfere with either of you.
Those of you who choose a password for your wireless network should make it different from the name of the network.

Maybe one day I'll share that tip with my neighbor too...

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Does Juno Turbo really speed things up 5x times over regular dial up? Downloads any faster?
Not really. Electronically it's the same bit-flipping speed as any other dialup ISP. Turbo just caches its best guess of what you're going to click on next, or briefly pauses the advertising downloads while you're requesting something. Your lack of advertising and your access to bandwidth is directly proportional to the amount of money you're paying for it.
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I'd be pretty surprised to find out that an old retired marketing guy was the first.
So would the old retired IT Security guy. I'm waiting for an industry article claiming someone has done it, other than WEP
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But it may not even be necessary to break the key. You might be able to buy it.

http://tech.propeller.com/story/2006...skys-ssl-hell/
The link does not suggest that https is insecure, it only suggests that a lot of servers are set up improperly.

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Do note that most brute force keybreaks are only hard if you dont know who the two parties are having the conversation, and you dont have ready access to some of the material that they're passing within the encryption.
Perhaps you have a link to an article about it actually happening (other than WEP, of course)? There is a reason your government wanted all of a persons encryption keys kept in escrow.
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Oh dear, this is starting to sound like one of those conversations I have with someone who thinks their brand of operating system is virus proof.

WEP and WPA have both been broken. WPA takes longer. WPA2 is one I havent heard about being broken. Yet.

SSL v1/v2 were both broken some time ago. SSLv3 can be subverted or broken in roughly 80% of implemented instances due to misconfiguration of equipment, known plaintexts, replay attacks, and key exchange rollbacks and the remaining can be broken with sufficient brute force over sufficient time, particularly with availability of unencrypted versions of the content.

Whether its a brute force break or a bunch of misconfigured gear, the net result is pretty much the same.

Winding this all back to where it started before we wander too far askew, I doubt Khans neighbor looking for free internet service has the technical acumen to effectively protect him or herself while executing any sensitive or financial transactions utilizing an unknown access point thats been left open for use. And I doubt that most of the people reading this stuff would either, especially in relation to latching onto some anonymous open AP and using it as their default internet connection.

Which is why I recommend not using public or anonymous clients or access points to access any important information. And using a minimum of WPA on your local wireless network. WEP is less than worthless.

A fair number of products exist that will identify local AP's, kick out their WEP keys in moments, and some even create handy geographic maps of the information for someone walking/driving around with a laptop.
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SSLv3 can be subverted or broken in roughly 80% of implemented instances due to misconfiguration of equipment, known plaintexts, replay attacks, and key exchange rollbacks and the remaining can be broken with sufficient brute force over sufficient time, particularly with availability of unencrypted versions of the content.
Don't want to hijack the thread, but do you have a source for this? I suspect you're characterizing this as a bit "easier" than it really is, but I'm always interested in being more informed about the technologies on which I make my living.
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Doesnt matter how easy it is. My recommendation stands.
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Don't want to hijack the thread, but do you have a source for this? I suspect you're characterizing this as a bit "easier" than it really is, but I'm always interested in being more informed about the technologies on which I make my living.
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I am looking for free or low cost ISP for a neighbor.

Can someone recommend one?

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Try this I have it for a backup for 5 years works well for a dialup. See if they have a local service phone number in your area.

Nationwide ISP - $8.25 Internet Access Services
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