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Old 08-18-2010, 01:16 PM   #41
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Sky, there were many things done in years past that would be considered reprehensible behavior today. I'll spare you a list.
Suffice it to say that most enlightened people would think chaining dogs is not only illegal, but cruel as well. Regardless of their upbringing.
In my parents' rural town, dogs and children didn't get vaccinations and I'm pretty sure they think both are a good idea now.
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Sky, there were many things done in years past that would be considered reprehensible behavior today. I'll spare you a list.
Suffice it to say that most enlightened people would think chaining dogs is not only illegal, but cruel as well. Regardless of their upbringing.
In my parents' rural town, dogs and children didn't get vaccinations and I'm pretty sure they think both are a good idea now.
I understand the sentiment but tell me how you would keep a dog at home at night on a large farm without chaining it up or tying it up in some form? (Fenced in yard or area?)

Again, I am not talking about a lap dog but a hunting hound or other type normally found on farms.
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This thread reminds me of an incident from about 10 years ago. DW and I always have a Golden Retriever and usually two so they are never alone. About once a week we walk them to a local diner for breakfast and leash them out front where we can see them from the window. We frequently talked to another couple who ate there about the same time as us and were fellow dog lovers. When the older dog died we were set to adopt a dog from the local Golden Rescue branch. We happened to talk to the couple in the restaurant about our application. Two days later we were called by Golden Rescue and told we were disqualified from ever adopting from them because we were reported for leaving our dogs chained up unattended. We said that was absolutely untrue and they cited the restaurant as "an example." They were uninterested in the fact that the dogs loved going there (because of the bacon) and were always in sight. Who knows - reading this thread I suppose it is possible (because of the territorial issues T-Al mentioned) that even tethering dogs in sight but out of immediate reach is a problem. If so, you would think the couple would have talked to us about the problem when we were talking dogs. Unfortunately, Golden Rescue ruled out one of the world's great dog lovers in DW and a reasonably close second in me. Interestingly, we never saw the rat-squealers in the diner again after the incident.
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BTW, you have bunnies (or a bunny?), right? How did they get along?
No, you're thinking of Nords. People often confuse us, but you can tell us apart because he's the one with the pony tail.
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Hypothetical animal cruelty question:

A "friend" left his momma cat and newborn kitten at home for 8 days in his condo while he went to New York for vacation. This "friend" left plenty of water out, plenty of dry cat food, and enough wet cat food to last for roughly the amount of time until it would spoil. And the toilet seat was left up. And an extra litter box was left out.

Animal cruelty?
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No, you're thinking of Nords. People often confuse us, but you can tell us apart because he's the one with the pony tail.
So sorry, Nords (wait, sorry, I meant Al).

My brain cells definitely misfired on this one.
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Hypothetical animal cruelty question:

A "friend" left his momma cat and newborn kitten at home for 8 days in his condo while he went to New York for vacation. This "friend" left plenty of water out, plenty of dry cat food, and enough wet cat food to last for roughly the amount of time until it would spoil. And the toilet seat was left up. And an extra litter box was left out.

Animal cruelty?
Leaving a healthy adult for 2-3 days would be OK. Leaving a cat for 8 days with a newborn kitten? Not OK.
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Leaving a healthy adult for 2-3 days would be OK. Leaving a cat for 8 days with a newborn kitten? Not OK.
My friend said it turned out very well in hindsight.

This explains why my friend isn't a big animal person. Luckily my friend is a better parent than animal caretaker.
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And the toilet seat was left up.
.... for??
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An endless supply of fresh water.
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I hope you called the local shelter or animal control officer. Telling them is one thing, getting this poor animal away from them is a better idea.

Good for you Al for caring.
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I understand the sentiment but tell me how you would keep a dog at home at night on a large farm without chaining it up or tying it up in some form? (Fenced in yard or area?)
Well, we keep ours in the barn....

Another option, if there is no barn, is an outdoor kennel, such as

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We have several of these and can use them modularly to do several different configurations. Works fine for when we want them to be outdoors but want them confined in a smaller area than the whole property.
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......... About once a week we walk them to a local diner for breakfast and leash them out front where we can see them from the window.............
I almost got bitten by a dog tethered outside a restaurant window as you described. He leaped at me and would have nailed me if I had not jumped out of reach. I'm sure he felt he was protecting his owners inside, but I went into the restaurant and gave them hell. A dog on a leash or chain feels vulnerable and may well be more aggressive.
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You guys do realize T-Al made all this up about the Dog just to get your blood pressure up don't you?
There never was a black dog or a neighbor/friend.
He's just BS'ing all of us.
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You guys do realize T-Al made all this up about the Dog just to get your blood pressure up don't you?
There never was a black dog or a neighbor/friend.
He's just BS'ing all of us.
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I understand the sentiment but tell me how you would keep a dog at home at night on a large farm without chaining it up or tying it up in some form? (Fenced in yard or area?).
Yes, a fenced-in kennel area or run. They aren't expensive, they allow for a roof to keep the sun and rain off the dog while it is out, it keeps other dogs and predators from attacking the dog, and it's a lot more humane than a chain. I live in southern Ohio, and in some counties it's illegal to keep a dog on a chain.
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So sorry, Nords (wait, sorry, I meant Al).
Al and I get along fine!

Dogs think bunnies are great, even without the garlic sauce.

Seriously, though, we've been advised that it's best to have cohabiting dogs and bunnies be of roughly the same size and arrive at the new home either together or with the bunny going first.
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I understand the sentiment but tell me how you would keep a dog at home at night on a large farm without chaining it up or tying it up in some form? (Fenced in yard or area?)

Again, I am not talking about a lap dog but a hunting hound or other type normally found on farms.
I work with herding dog rescue (border collies) and many times we place dogs in working homes. Farmers understand the need to secure livestock, both from a value and a liability standpoint. Most of the time, "real" working dogs live in decent sized concrete runs with shelters when they aren't working. Lots of the most famous border collies in this country and in the UK (herding trial champions) secretly live in their master's houses as pets when not competing.

Even my grandfather's hunting dogs (and he was as old school as you could get) lived in fairly spacious pens. Never once was a dog tied up in his yard.

People who invest in well-trained stock dogs or hunting dogs wouldn't consider leaving their health and safety to chance with a tieout that could fail or choke the dog to death.
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Right. Musicians are wiley... buskers learned long ago that having a bedraggled dog staring dolefully at the crowd gets the tip jar fuller, faster.


My husband discovered that if he sat on a bench in front of the beach grocery store near our house with our Carl when he was a cute puppy, that young girls in bikinis would bend over to pet said dog as they came in and out of the store.
He says he wished he'd known this before we got married.
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My husband discovered that if he sat on a bench in front of the beach grocery store near our house with our Carl when he was a cute puppy, that young girls in bikinis would bend over to pet said dog as they came in and out of the store.
He says he wished he'd known this before we got married.
Hey, what's he want with those adolescents when he's got a real live hoopin' woman?

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