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Old 03-05-2012, 12:12 PM   #321
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And far better than "you know"
Agreed. The use of 'So..' doesn't bother me, it just seemed to stick out after a while. Of course, now that it is in my head, I probably notice it more than I would otherwise.

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Old 03-05-2012, 12:23 PM   #322
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We used this term all the time at work. As in "We need to ramp up production on those assembly lines; we need to ramp up our efforts at cost-reduction; demand is ramping up on xyz products'. I don't think anything of it when I hear it in normal conversation. These things don't normally increase as a step function, so ramping up seems pretty accurate.

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I always thought of "ramping up" as a special case of "increasing."

If you increase the output per hour of the production line, that might be instantaneous or it might be over time depending on what needs to be done. If you ramp up the output per hour of the production line, that implies an increase/unit of time over time.
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I didn't read all the posts, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned.

When did it become proper punctuation to put a comma just before the word "and" when finishing a list of items in a sentence ? (for example - I like chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry ice cream.)

I thought the reason to use "and" was to signify the end of the list.
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for example - I like chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry ice cream.
Without the comma(s), in this instance, it might indicate that you (only) like Neapolitan?
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I didn't read all the posts, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned.

When did it become proper punctuation to put a comma just before the word "and" when finishing a list of items in a sentence ? (for example - I like chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry ice cream.)

I thought the reason to use "and" was to signify the end of the list.
A recent, and quite exciting, discussion of the comma can be found here Loser vs Looser
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I didn't read all the posts, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned.

When did it become proper punctuation to put a comma just before the word "and" when finishing a list of items in a sentence ? (for example - I like chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry ice cream.)

I thought the reason to use "and" was to signify the end of the list.
I clearly remember being taught that the comma there was OK but optional.
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Beginning the answer to a question with the word "so". You only hear this on NPR radio stations.
Young software people seem to begin every other sentence with "so.." I first noticed this maybe 15 years ago. I think it functions as a connector word for them.

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I always thought of "ramping up" as a special case of "increasing."

If you increase the output per hour of the production line, that might be instantaneous or it might be over time depending on what needs to be done. If you ramp up the output per hour of the production line, that implies an increase/unit of time over time.
There you go -it implies a more or less steady rate increase.

I am not annoyed by changes in word and sentence usage over time. I think it is interesting, and I sometimes try to understand what it might say about the social context of communication.

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Recent ad: "this special as-seen-only-on-tv hook will let you hang your pictures perfect"

Or my secretary"s " I used it to file it correct"

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OMG, there was a guy (yes, a software guy) that I used to work with, and every sentence out of his mouth started with "so..."
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I didn't read all the posts, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned.

When did it become proper punctuation to put a comma just before the word "and" when finishing a list of items in a sentence ? (for example - I like chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry ice cream.)

I thought the reason to use "and" was to signify the end of the list.
Not exactly to the point (the difference between British and American usage of the serial comma), this at least gives me a chance to use one of my favorite James Thurber quotes. My apologies if this was posted here before (I didn't read all the posts either):

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Commas are like so many upturned chairs unhelpfully hurled down the wide-open corridor of readability.
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OMG, there was a guy (yes, a software guy) that I used to work with, and every sentence out of his mouth started with "so..."
I knew an older guy who started every paragraph with "So, ...." and they weren't questions! It was just his way of changing the subject.
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:27 PM   #334
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You "ramp up" just before you "roll out." Nothing is ever presented or offered, any more; it is always rolled out. Even stuff that doesn't actually roll.

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I've noticed a lot of people on "reality" shows, from Amazing Race to Apprentice to Bachelor to Biggest Loser, use "I's" instead of "my" when they say things like:

"My daughter and I's first trip to Washington...."
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I assume you have all read the book about Panda's - Eats, Shoots and Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation.

A panda goes into a café, orders a sandwich, eats it, takes out a revolver, fires it into the air, and goes out. When the waiter calls to ask what is going on, the panda plunks a badly punctuated wildlife manual onto the table and growls: "Look me up." The waiter finds the entry: "PANDA. Large, black-and-white, bear-like mammal native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves.
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I just heard someone on TV saying the very common "I couldn't hear nothing." Why does this double negative thing persist? I guess it will be passed from generation to generation forever.
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I just heard someone on TV saying the very common "I couldn't hear nothing." Why does this double negative thing persist? I guess it will be passed from generation to generation forever.
It works in Spanish! In Spanish adding more negatives just enhances the negation. Therefore: "no podía oír nada" = "I couldn't hear nothing." Of course a smart translator will translate this to English as "I couldn't hear anything."

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