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Old 10-12-2008, 11:27 AM   #141
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The traditional usage is still preferable, at least in Britain, but it may soon become a lost cause."
Most everything near and dear to the collective heart of this thread is a lost cause.

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Old 10-12-2008, 05:26 PM   #142
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unchartered waters: water upon, under or within which no one has yet secured a lease
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:12 AM   #143
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de facto double negatives expressed along a timeline (which i often quite enjoy)
within which no one has yet secured a lease (formally improper)
within which no one has secured a lease (corrected--redundancy removed)
within which anyone has yet secured a lease (proper)
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:18 PM   #144
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de facto double negatives expressed along a timeline (which i often quite enjoy)
within which no one has yet secured a lease (formally improper)
within which no one has secured a lease (corrected--redundancy removed)
within which anyone has yet secured a lease (proper)
I won't comment on the others, but if you use number 3 I hope you are trying to confuse people because very likely you will.

If I understand the idea you are trying to get across I think a clear and also correct phrase would be" within which anyone is yet to secure a lease."
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i have been searching for but can not find a rule against my usage which is common enough according to a google search of "anyone has yet" per the following examples:

"anyone has yet managed to come up with"
not--anyone is yet to manage to come up with

"I don't think anyone has yet adressed the question"
not--anyone is yet to address the question"

"Frankly I don't care if anyone has yet fallen prey to these changes"
not--anyone is yet to fall prey to these changes

so while "within which anyone has yet secured a lease" & "within which anyone is yet to secure a lease" might be equal in meaning they are not equal in succinctness. just like 2 + 5 = 1 + 2 + 3 + 1: which side of that equation is less confusing and more precise?

where both phrases say the same thing, then, according to strunk & white, the rules i try to follow are to "make every word tell" & "omit needless words". unless of course i'm being silly and then anything goes.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:34 PM   #146
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i have been searching for but can not find a rule against my usage which is common enough according to a google search of "anyone has yet" per the following examples:

"anyone has yet managed to come up with"
not--anyone is yet to manage to come up with
Well, you have pretty much exhausted my pedantry. Have it however you like it.

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A couple of animal-related ones found recently:

"hair-brained"

and (this is a goodie)

"goose pumps"
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When I see (or hear) that abomination, my brain turns off and I stop reading (or listening). It's a double negative.
My darling father (who adores WFBuckley) cringes with horror, whenever he hears the word irregardless.
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I'm with your dad. Irregardless is second only to "could care less" in the teeth-grinding category.
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Here is my pet annoyance:

Is it not true...... blah blah..?

Why not say: is it true.... or is it false......
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OK, can't stand it. Think its vs it's. Anyone know the difference (I'm sure a lot do)?
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OK, can't stand it. Think its vs it's. Anyone know the difference (I'm sure a lot do)?
It's = it is
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I am driven crazy when I see people confuse its with it's, and they're with their.

The following story is not about a grammatical error, nor a neologism. But it certainly suggests that the perpetrator badly failed her middle school geometry.

A national network TV anchor was reporting on an airplane crash. She emphasized the fact that some witnesses had reported strong winds as the aircraft was landing.

She said that "the trees were blown perpendicular to the ground"!
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just read "ossalator" for "oscillator"
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:42 PM   #155
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Ossalator: An osculator who oscillates? An oscillator who osculates?


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Sorry to have to break to you, but titles to posts should be capitalized.
even if the words in every sentence are not and there is little if any punctuation so there is no way to discern where one sentence starts and another begins this is one of my pet peeves it drives me crazy when i see a post that has neither capitalization or punctuation this is not an im board please take the time to make your posts readable if you expect others to take the time to read them to make it easier here are free punctuations marks for your use ;:'"[{]}\|=+-_)(*&^%$#@!`~ please feel free to copy them and use them in your posts along with the shift key it is the one with the up arrow on it on the lower left hand side of your keyboard it turns lower case letters into upper case letters thank you and have a nice day
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even if the words in every sentence are not and there is little if any punctuation so there is no way to discern where one sentence starts and another begins this is one of my pet peeves it drives me crazy when i see a post that has neither capitalization or punctuation this is not an im board please take the time to make your posts readable if you expect others to take the time to read them to make it easier here are free punctuations marks for your use ;:'"[{]}\|=+-_)(*&^%$#@!`~ please feel free to copy them and use them in your posts along with the shift key it is the one with the up arrow on it on the lower left hand side of your keyboard it turns lower case letters into upper case letters thank you and have a nice day
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even if the words in every sentence are not and there is little if any punctuation so there is no way to discern where one sentence starts and another begins this is one of my pet peeves it drives me crazy when i see a post that has neither capitalization or punctuation this is not an im board please take the time to make your posts readable if you expect others to take the time to read them to make it easier here are free punctuations marks for your use ;:'"[{]}\|=+-_)(*&^%$#@!`~ please feel free to copy them and use them in your posts along with the shift key it is the one with the up arrow on it on the lower left hand side of your keyboard it turns lower case letters into upper case letters thank you and have a nice day
and use a new paragraph once in a while too too many people just keep rambling on without starting a new paragraph and another thing keep answers short and to the point i see many people going off on tangents and trying to answer questions that are not even asked obviously there are a lot of it depends type answers that warrant a more detailed explanation if but people had to cover and spell out every possible scenario we would be here all day i don't know about you but when i see very long posts i tend either to skim over them in which case paragraphs become very important or i do not read them at all.
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and use a new paragraph once in a while too too many people just keep rambling on without starting a new paragraph and another thing keep answers short and to the point i see many people going off on tangents and trying to answer questions that are not even asked obviously there are a lot of it depends type answers that warrant a more detailed explanation if but people had to cover and spell out every possible scenario we would be here all day i don't know about you but when i see very long posts i tend either to skim over them in which case paragraphs become very important or i do not read them at all.

i agree and feel the same way about posts that have a half dozen or more links to obscure internet articles in them i almost never click on the links or end up just skimming over the post usually a single link to a credible source is a more effective to make a point do you agree maybe we could move on to the pros and cons of threadjacking next it doesnt particularly bother me because the op can always take it back ontrack and we need to keep in mind that we are all here for entertainment while we are learning about the finer points of fire, bacon and beavercheese oops it looked like i may have inadvertantly threadjacked this away from grammatical pet peeves
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