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Old 06-18-2007, 11:14 AM   #41
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ust a few wasted dollars - nothing compared to the fiasco we are burning our treasury on currently.
I think there are lots of things we should finance publicly, but I wish we'd look at them more as either/or. Yes, cleaning up our CO2 mess would be good.... but what doesn't get done instead. And, yes, we are burning our treasury on a fiasco right now... and there are many things that we could better spend money on, but our votes don't seem to count on that one.... that problem is a GW of another kind !

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Old 06-18-2007, 11:33 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Zathras View Post
...Yes, CO2 makes up a very small percentage of the overall atmosphere. That small amount makes a big difference to our global average temperature. If you doubt that fact, it is a very good place to attack the idea of GW as if you can disprove it, the whole GW argument falls apart. Now, the chemistry behind the way CO2 behaves is pretty well documented and understood. But if it can be disproved, please do.
Ironically, it is exactly the impact of CO2 or lack thereof that is the ehart of the debate.
Frankly, I would love to be proven wrong about GW. If I am wrong it means we won't see a lot of misery and hardship in the future due to GW.
GW has been proven to be happening since the mid-70s. It has followed 3 decades of global cooling. So GW is not the center of the debate. No one has explained to me why we had 3 decades of cooling during our most rapid industrial expansion after WWII.

Instead there seems to be name-calling.

Why did we continue to get GW even when Mount St Helen's and Mount Pinatubo erupted, spewing protective particles into the atmosphere? Inquiring minds want to know!

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I just couldn't pass up posting this link.

There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998 | St Opinion | Opinion | Telegraph
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2B, you can find lots of information on Opinion pages. Seriously, if you want information, read the actual research. Or at worst, read the watered down versions in popular media and follow the references they provide. If they don't provide references to research, be very skeptical.

We did get a cooling trend over the couple of years after Mt Pinatubo went off. Mt St. Helens threw much less material into the air. Although I am not sure if it had a measurable effect over global temps.

The cooling from the 40's to the early 70's appears to have been caused by the effect of sulfate aerosals in the atmosphere. Due to the combined effect of volcanoes and industrial polutants. See Climate myths: The cooling after 1940 shows CO2 does not cause warming - climate-change - 16 May 2007 - New Scientist Environment for full detail and references. It is interesting reading.

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